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Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:50 pm  |
Two product lines that seem to be really delivering for many of you and now I am quite confused on which one to go with for certain items:
DMAE
Vit. C
What a dilemma! Candy seems to offer some stronger potions and they're made up differently from PSF. After reading some of the technical info on both DMAE and C, gratiously supplied from forum members, I'm experiencing info overload and have to admit that my brain starts to shut down. Water in the C? Does it not last as long? Different forms of DMAE? One has HA in it, the other comes as a separate product. Etc. Are both suppliers just as good in terms of their forumlas, even if different?
The only thing that stops me from going with Candessance is the shipping cost to Canada (cheaper to order PSF from EDS). I also want to try the Berry Beneficial, although I feel a product overload (Retinol, ISC Firming Complex, Vit. C, DMAE, Berry Beneficial, etc.) coming on 
Probably not many have had the opportunity to try both Candessance and PSF, especially since some of these products are pretty new, so I guess what I'm really fishing for is some technical feedback on the comparison of ingredients, value, etc. If anyone is willing to help out here I would really appreciate it! I can't speak for others but I do suspect that there are more of "me" out there scratching our heads, trying to decide.
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:19 pm |
Hi Oriana.
If at all possible, order samples of the Vit C and DMAE from both places. People react differently to formulations and ingredients.
Also, if you haven't already, search the forum for people's "Rave reviews." From what I've read, people are extremely positive about both the PSF DMAE and about Candy's. Candy's uses bitartrate instead of amine DMAE, but she uses an equivalent concentration. Some people can tell the difference between the forms and say that amine is superior; but based on all the rave reviews, I suspect Candy's is every bit as good as the PSF product. I ordered samples so I am curious about this too. My skin can be hypersensitive so that's an easy litmus test for me. I do the same thing with vit C serums. Try many, stick with the ones that don't irritate my skin. As for a comparison between the two vendor's C serums, I like the looks of Candy's better because of the lack of glycerine (which PSF's has in abundance) and I don't personally like the feel of glycerine on my skin. The value of the vit c product is likely just as good, though.
Sorry if I can't give you a diffinitive answer but I just think you could try samples or make your best choice based on reviews. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:28 pm |
| Not a technical answer, but I can say I have both of each, and prefer Candy's. They just feel nicer (and smell nicer) to my skin. Not much help. I do love Candy's products. They feel clean and effective. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:31 pm |
I have not tried either, I am somewhat of a die hard skinceuticals vitamin C E ferulic acid fan but, I am very tempted by Candy's serums especially with the decemeber special...which ends today, I am still deciding  |
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about to hit my 40s, retin-a user, differin, LRP |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:34 pm |
I liked skinceuticals very much, and prefer Candy's hands down. (in case you need more info before the special ends)  |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:36 pm |
oh no cedar, the scale is definitely tipping, poor wallet  |
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about to hit my 40s, retin-a user, differin, LRP |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:40 pm |
Well, if you need the products that are part of the special, it's a great idea to save money on items you clearly want or need. If not, perhaps order a sample of the C.
Wallets are a reality we have to live with.  |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:42 pm |
PocoLoco, thanks, maybe not a definitive answer but it is helpful. Basing my decision on rave reviews has been the problem, too many raves from both sides. I notice that Candy gets better reviews based on how the product feels on the skin, but since PSF (the Vit. C anyway) doesn't bother me too much I can stay that route and save on shipping.
All the technical talk on Vit. C had me thinking that I would have to use Candy's C serum up in a certain amount of time as opposed to the PSF with glycerin - am I wrong about that? |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:51 pm |
| cedar wrote: |
Well, if you need the products that are part of the special, it's a great idea to save money on items you clearly want or need. If not, perhaps order a sample of the C.
Wallets are a reality we have to live with. |
cedar--i actually don't need any more products at the moment, but i am just hoarding. i will stop now  |
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about to hit my 40s, retin-a user, differin, LRP |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:00 pm |
| Sometimes I have to remind myself it will still be there when I really need it. Good for you! |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:20 pm |
| Candy's new C is pretty cool, I've used it twice now, got it yesterday, and it def delivers the "C glow", I haven't used long enough to go further, but it sinks right in as her other serums do!! Candy's dmae is bitrate form, so no smell, no film on face at all, sinks right in and works. I did try psf's and sry to report I can't say if it works, I couldn't get past the smell, its extremely strong, its also a gel, which tends to leave a film on my face. Those that use it do like it alot tho. So it would really depend on which form you want, both appear to work from what others have said on diff threads. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:33 pm |
I think it depends on which of the C serums you're talking about. Candy's new Triple C serum is unique. There isn't anything else out there, at least to my knowledge, that goes with a blend of all 3 forms of C. I'm not sure why that is either - perhaps the study showing the efficacy of the combined forms is too new. But, the results are awesome. It's a strong C serum. If you've never used a C serum before, it might be too much for your skin. For me, it is absolutely incomparable!
As for the DMAE - I know that there are alot of people out there who argue that the amine form of DMAE (which is what the PSF serum uses) is what gives them results. It is also the form that is cited in the Johnson & Johnson study. I'm not particularly senstive to smell, but I just can't handle the smell. And, considering that most people apply their DMAE in the am..... I'd end up barfing! I only use DMAE around my eyes right now. I've been trying out Candy's and I have to say, it's lovely. A pleasure to use, really.
To be fair, I haven't tried either the PSF DMAE or C serums. I have used several of their other products, and find them to be exceptional. Laughing.... I'm sure this has been of absolutely no help !!! |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:43 pm |
| skincareaddicted wrote: |
| I am very tempted by Candy's serums especially with the decemeber special...which ends today, I am still deciding |
I''m still deciding too!
it's very very tempting isnt it?
I think the cost of the Int'l Shipping plus handling is just too much for me, and cedar's words are helpful in stopping me getting too carried away! |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:58 pm |
| I can only use the PSF DMAE at night. Stinky. But I'm sure it's a fine product. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:11 pm |
| I want to try Candy's,but the cost of shipping and handling makes me ordering PSF from EDS. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:11 pm |
| I'd definitely start with Candy's DMAE because of the smell factor. I have both hers and the PSF. I actually think they're relatively equal as far as effectiveness, but you'll definitely have a hard time with the smell of the PSF. It smells like cat urine. NASTY!!!! |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:38 pm |
How long does the smell last with the amine DMAE? I've read that it dissipates quickly, but what has been people's experience with that? I have no sense of smell so it wouldn't bother me but it might bother the people around me! 
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| All the technical talk on Vit. C had me thinking that I would have to use Candy's C serum up in a certain amount of time as opposed to the PSF with glycerin - am I wrong about that? |
Oriana, both the the vit C products--Candy's and PSF's--will oxidize and should be used within a month to 6 weeks. I haven't tried Candy's serum yet but it does contain water and that's what happens with these serums. It helps to store the serum in the refrigerator. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:03 pm |
| The smell fades pretty quickly, PocoLoco - pretty much as soon as it dries. It's just really nasty before it does. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:31 am |
| Unfortunately, I haven't tried any Candessence product though I'd really really love to! However, I'm currently using PSF vitamin c serum 12% and PSF retinol 0.5%. I have only been using it for a few days so I can't really comment on the result. I find that the vit c serum is rather watery, but you do feel like you have put something on your face after using it. I always wait about 20 minutes before I apply any other product. By the time the wait time is over, there's no sticky feeling left on my face at all. So far, it's been really good. No breakouts or irritation from vit c serum. As for retinol, I've only used it once as my skin peeled quite a bit after the first time. BUT I have super sensitive/reactive skin. My face was quite red after I applied retinol. No burning sensation though. I'm not sure if my skin's trying to get used to retinol or what. But I'm definitely gonna give it another try before I make up any opinion about the product. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:44 am |
| PocoLoco wrote: |
| Oriana, both the the vit C products--Candy's and PSF's--will oxidize and should be used within a month to 6 weeks. I haven't tried Candy's serum yet but it does contain water and that's what happens with these serums. It helps to store the serum in the refrigerator. |
6 weeks isn't a very long time - I don't think I could possible use up 30mls so quickly! Do you really think the candessence triple c will go off so quickly? I wanted to try that next when my current c serum (Proheal) runs out. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:47 am |
Yeah there is no way I can use up my C in 6 weeks, think I've been using mine since the summer and still have some left. I thought the glycerin made it last longer 
Ok that's it, we need Candessance here at EDS so we outsiders can try out her stuff without having to spend so much on shipping, exchange and duties. Especially if we would need to reorder her C every 6 wks.! No matter how great the products I just can't get myself to justify the extra costs... although seriously fighting temptation, ie. isn't it worth it? |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:05 am |
I'm in Canada too..I have to say I can't use Psf since I find the feel too greasy. I did like skinceuticals c & ferulic (I also like ferulic as an ingredient). Skinceuticals is really expensive even if you find someone who'll ship it to Canada. My favorite, skinmedica is also $$ as is IS superserum. If you compare Candy's
prices (both her C serums) it's no contest even with the exchange...especially with the $ back up again. One serum compares favorably(i.e. it's better) to skinceuticals C & ferulic & the other to skinmedica-the closest comparison I could find. Even if I pay $60 for a $40u.s. serum, it's still a remarkable saving for me. Plus, I haven't had to pay duty so far...I think you have to order over $100. or something..I'm not sure..it also depends on the $ value Candy puts on the package. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:34 am |
I've tried both and like them both. On the 20% C serums PSF's is more moisturizing and Candy's is more watery (like Skinceutical which I used to use). So if your skin is dry I'd say use PSF first or not use Candy's.
On DMAE both work for me. I do not mind the smell. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:50 am |
| The super strong fishy smell dissapates when it dries, that much is true, but later in the nite, I would still get tiny whiffs of it, so I kept thinking others would be able too as well if they were say hugging me or such. I am pretty neutral on smells, I can normally handle them, unless perfume (that creates migraines) but this is over the top even for me. I do not find Candy's C's drying at all. I am on day 3 of her triple C. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:57 am |
[quote="PocoLoco"]How long does the smell last with the amine DMAE? I've read that it dissipates quickly, but what has been people's experience with that? I have no sense of smell so it wouldn't bother me but it might bother the people around me!
I don't think the smell lasts long at all. It's a bit unpleasant at first (it's no Berry Beneficial, that's for sure), but I find that if I rinse my hands off after I apply it, the smell is literally gone in less than a minute. |
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