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Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:23 pm  |
| I use Pantene Pro-V shampoo/Conditioners... I have switched to other brands such as Thermasilk, Rusk, Aveda etc. but I always go back to Pantene b/c I feel like it moisturizes my hair very well, especially in the winter when it is prone to static/flyaways. However, my hair stylist says that Pantene is very alkaline and is damaging to hair and that most drugstore shampoos are. She said that my hair is probably pretty resilient to it b/c it is healthy to begin with. What are all your thoughts on this, drug store shampoos etc. What kind of shampoos do you all use? Thanks! |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:32 am |
Yes your hairstylist will do anything so that you will stop using these brands and buy the one he/she sells in their salon...
They dont convince me. I mean how does he/she know? Have they taken the shampoo to the lab and measure the alkalinity? |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:36 am |
I've had stylists say the same things, and others that have said use whatever works. Personally, I don't think stylists are in any better position to tell us whether a product works than we are... we can see for ourselves, for example, whether the product is too drying, damaging, doesn't do what it says, etc...
Anyway, I've used Pantene in the past with great results. I'm only using the Euforia (sp?) line right now because I'm really happy with the results. The products are helping to smooth out my shorter layers while I wait for my hair to grow. Once I get the length I want, I'll probably switch to my series of drugstore brands, which includes Pantene, Suave, and Tigi. |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:43 am |
| LandB wrote: |
| I'm only using the Euforia (sp?) line right now because I'm really happy with the results. |
I meant Eufora. Went upstairs to check!  |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:08 am |
Pantene products are full of wax and coat each individual strand with the stuff! That's how they trick you in to thinking it has "cured" your hair, because the wax temporarily smoothes down the hair strand, making it APPEAR healthier. But then all that wax begins to build up and your hair will be in worse shape than when you started.
Don't believe me? Hold out a strand of your hair and move the blade of some scissors along it and watch as it scrapes the wax off on to the blade!!!  |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:24 am |
I use the L'oreal serie expert range. They're a little pricy but worth it. My hair looks and feels much softer when I use them. I've found them to be better than the regular drugstore brands which only seem to work temporarily, at least for me. 
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:26 am |
For my fine hair Pantene is a big no no?
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| Hold out a strand of your hair and move the blade of some scissors along it and watch as it scrapes the wax off on to the blade!!! Shock |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:23 am |
And another thing:
| power1080 wrote: |
| ...my hair stylist says that Pantene is very alkaline and is damaging to hair and that most drugstore shampoos are. |
Your stylist is right that drugstore shampoos are very damaging to hair, but AtalBest is correct as well, when s/he says that your stylist will tell you anything to convince you to buy whatever product line they have at the salon.
The truth is, nearly all shampoo – regardless of cost – is rough and damaging to your hair because they contain sulfates. Take a look sometime at your bottle of drugstore or salon-brand shampoo and compare the list of ingredients to those on the label of your dishwashing detergent! Would you be willing to wash your hair with the same stuff that you use to wash your dirty dishes? If the shampoo you use contains sulfates, then you might as well!
The only truly gentle, non-damaging shampoo are those that do not contain sulfates. The problem is that sulfates are what gives you the impressive, bubbly lather. Sulfate-free shampoos do not give you a rich, thick lather, so people – inerroneously – assume that sulfate-free shampoos are not cleaning the hair because we have all been conditioned (no pun!) to equate lots of suds with being clean.
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For my fine hair Pantene is a big no no?
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| Hold out a strand of your hair and move the blade of some scissors along it and watch as it scrapes the wax off on to the blade!!! |
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Yep, Pantene is the LAST thing you should be using for your fine hair because that waxy buildup is going to weigh your hair down even more and make it look even flater or more fine and lifeless!! |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:11 am |
| carekate is absolutely right. The reason why your hair feels so silky smooth after using pantene pro V is that it coats hair with waxy buildup and it has lots of protein which can be good for your hair but too much protein for the hair will end up damaging it. Neutragena anti-residue shampoo is great for cleaning your hair up of all that gunk hair products and other shampoo/conditioners leave you with. It's good to have this shampoo to use once or twice a week |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:15 am |
| I agree. When I used Pantene it was great for a few days but after that my hair started to feel weird and limp. You can use a clarifying shampoo or baking soda to remove the buildup, but I stopped using it because my hair doesn't do well with so much protein and cones |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:17 am |
I agree with previous post, your stylist just wants you to buy product from her (him). That is marketing trick. But most of drug store products are not good quality and may damage your hair. I used a few times Panteen, and my hair was very shiny....but my hair was falling out  . I stopped using Panteen. I use now L'Oreal shampoo and conditioning for dry hair. So far, it is OK.
HTH
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:23 am |
| I also agree that stylists want to sell their products. You have to watch out for those salon products as well since many of them cause waxy build-up and carry lots of protien as well. |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:56 am |
| I do not like Pantene. CareKate is right. |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:07 am |
| carekate wrote: |
Pantene products are full of wax and coat each individual strand with the stuff! That's how they trick you in to thinking it has "cured" your hair, because the wax temporarily smoothes down the hair strand, making it APPEAR healthier. But then all that wax begins to build up and your hair will be in worse shape than when you started.
Don't believe me? Hold out a strand of your hair and move the blade of some scissors along it and watch as it scrapes the wax off on to the blade!!! |
but isnt this the same concept of silicone products...coat the hair so its not so fly-away??? I use Pantene..my hair is on the frizzy side (I color AND highlight it so no wonder), and it really seems to help. |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:17 am |
| Chrissie wrote: |
| but isnt this the same concept of silicone products...coat the hair so its not so fly-away??? |
Yes, but there are different types of silicones:
"Silicones are viscous oily liquids that coat the hair shaft in gloss, giving the illusion of healthy sheen. As most curly hair tends to be dry and often frizzy, silicones seem like the miracle ingredient to combat these complaints. The downside is that MOST silicones are not water soluble, and can only be removed with harsh detergents. The very detergents needed to remove the silicones strip the hair of all its natural oils, leaving it stripped and straw-like. This causes the user to think she needs more silicones to combat the dryness. Thus, the cycle begins again. If the user is not using these harsh detergents to remove the silicones, they can build up, creating a barrier on the hair shaft. This barrier prevents moisturizing conditioners from penetrating the hair, further drying it out."
How do you know whether it's water soluble or not? Here's a cheat sheet:
• Amodimethicone - not soluble in water by itself;
• Amodimethicone (and) Trideceth-12 (and) Cetrimonium Chloride - mixture that is soluble in water in the bottle;
• Behenoxy Dimethicone - sparingly soluble in water
• Cetearyl methicone - not soluble in water
• Cetyl Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Cyclomethicone - not soluble in water
• Cyclopentasiloxane - not soluble in water
• Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Dimethicone Copolyol - water soluble
• Dimethiconol - not soluble in water
• Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein Hydroxypropyl Polysiloxane - water soluble
• Stearoxy Dimethicone - sparingly soluble in water
• Stearyl Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Trimethylsilylamodimethicone - not soluble in water
• Lauryl methicone copolyol - water soluble
My feeling is that using a shampoo or conditioner containing water-soluable silicones is not harmful to my hair so I don't worry too much about it. I *do* try to avoid products containing copius amounts of the other silicones, but so long is it isn't listed in the first 3-5 ingredients on the list, then I believe it's safe to use.
BTW, you do not need a shampoo containing harsh sulfates or chemicals to strip build-up from your hair. All you need to do is add a bit of baking soda or ACV to your shampoo (I do NOT recommend adding baking soda directly to your shampoo bottle because it causes the shampoo to fizz and expand -- think of those old volcanic eruptions made from mixing baking soda and vinegar at the 5th grade Science Fair projects!) and it will cut right through any buildup on the hair, leaving you with super-clean, super-shiny hair.
HTH,
Carrie |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:59 pm |
Wow, I have been using Pantene for SO MANY years now! I always thought it was great, but every once in awhile I'd hear some rumor that it was bad for your hair, but I never understood why. However, recently I have noticed that whenever I scratch my head I get a little white buildup under my nail. I've tried using Herbal Essences Clarifying shampoo to get rid of it, but it hasn't helped.
How much baking soda would you add when you shampoo your hair in order to cut the buildup? Seems like it might be a tad bit abrasive.. ? |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:20 pm |
Iv'e used many shampoos in the past. Right now I am using a Pantene shampoo but its driving me nuts  !!! I too feel like my hair is getting weighed down. I was starting to wonder if I have developed dandruff or something because, like Nymue said, I'd scratch my head or something and there would be white buildup of some sort  . I heard someone on here praising Big Sexy Hair shampoo/ conditioner. Any insights on it? Also, all of the commercials you see on tv about the Selsun Salon product, anyone tried it (any insights)? Bottom line, Pantene does give your hair that 'healthy feel' for a while. But then, it just builds up and gets pretty gross.
Carekate, or anyone else, what are some sulfate-free shampoos that are out on the market now? How do you guys find them? Do you just look through the ingredients list while at the store? Sorry for such questions. I'm just new to this and am not sure what I should even be looking for .
-Marianna |
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:57 pm |
You can get Paves Sulfate Free Shine Shampoo for around $5 in Walgreens, and I heard it's in Ulta now too. They've got an original formula and a more moisturizing one that I've been trying to lay my greedy little hands on with no success.
Burt's Bees now has out a sulfate free shampoo that smells delicious. I think this one'll run you about $7. Most health food stores, Walgreens, and some book stores (for example, Borders) carry it.
Also if you have a Sally Beauty around you they have a few more to choose from.
And yes, I read the ingredients on everything. lol. My fiance hates shopping with me. :) |
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Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:40 pm |
| Personally I think that your hairstylist is just saying that because they make a commission off of selling stuff to you. Probably. As for Pantene, my mother (who has VERY different hair than me) loves it! She's been using it forever and always goes back to it. I however always notice a weird buildup on my scalp when I use it! Weird! I like the way it makes my hair feel but I don't like what it leaves behind. My mom says she's never noticed it. I believe that Pantene has waxes and such because of this buildup but I also think its a great line otherwise and if it works for you than don't listen to your hairstylist. |
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:22 am |
Yes!!! I used to use Pantene for years and years. I also heard the wax-rumor and also had the white "mystery" build-up on my scalp. Funny I never put the 2 and 2 together! I currently use Paul Mitchel's Super Skinny shampoo, which I only got because it was on sale and because it smells sooooo yummy!! very apple-y! no complaints.
But the Burt's Bees sulfate free shampoo is next on my list of must try/must buy. Strange that they carry it at Borders.. will look for it next time I'm in there. So does that mean that it doesn't lather/foam at all when you rub it in? ..It's funny, I've been told that the ingredient that causes the lather in shampoo is unhealthy for your hair—yet I don't know if I could get used to a shampoo that didn't bubble up!!  |
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:26 am |
| carekate wrote: |
| rosebud wrote: |
For my fine hair Pantene is a big no no?
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| Hold out a strand of your hair and move the blade of some scissors along it and watch as it scrapes the wax off on to the blade!!! |
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Yep, Pantene is the LAST thing you should be using for your fine hair because that waxy buildup is going to weigh your hair down even more and make it look even flater or more fine and lifeless!! |
This is exactly what my hairstylist told me many moons ago when I was using Pantene or another of the same sort!! I started using the salon's shampoo (ISO for coloured hair) and wow, what a difference.  very happy for that advise and that I switched brands. |
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:06 pm |
The healthfood store and Drugstore.com is where I've been buying my shampoos/conditioners lately. I don't buy things w/ sulfates, and I'm trying to stay away from parabens as well.
I especially like Avalon Organics (most of their line is now also free of parabens), Australian Organics, and JASON Organics. |
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:23 am |
the thing that we have to remember is that hair is dead, so there isn't really anything healthy about it. Colouring it, blow drying, straightening, etc.. will make it drier than what it already is, so in the end shampoos/conditioners can only cleanse and add moisture. Yes, there are surfactants that are in these products that are said to be damaging but we wash all these products out of our hair anyway. Having said that i love wella's sp series
oli |
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:43 pm |
| i've been using pantene forever and love it... and also have two huge bj's sized bottles of the shampoo and conditioner so will probably not try another brand until i'm done w/what i have. i generally find that although my hair is naturally thick and healthy, i like to use moisturizing formulas, which i find takes care of most static/flyaways issues. although in terms of drugstore shampoos, i haven't liked any suave shampoos or herbal essences. i have also tried some aveda shampoos (sapmoss), which i find leaves my hair with something to be desired. i am also a huge sucker for the fragrances of products... any recommendations of shamp/cond. that are moisturizing/smell yummy and fruity? |
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Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:11 pm |
| oaky i have to say this i am a former stylist and i NEVER told lies to make people buy shampoo! i know some may however. but drug store products are bad for your hair period. they have the same alkaline level as a perm or relaxer! you can roll up a perm put shampoo like pantene on leave for a hour and have a perm. really. i have done this. you can always tell who uses drug store products when you cut hair in feels different and the wax will flake off if you run the razor or sisscors down the hair shaft.and some drug store shampoo,hair soray will take off floor wax! sufate free is the best way to go with low ph. same with skin care products. most drug store brands ph is off but thats another story. soory to vent just wanted to explain to help. |
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