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Going to do a 20% TCA-first timer...any tips?
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Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:58 am      Reply with quote
Thanks in advance
(im treating black marks, uneven skintone, rough skin)
Any advice on procedure, duration, and time in between would be soo helpful.
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Hi,

I've done at-home TCA peels a few times so I'll share my experiences. Mine was an adjustable kit so my TCA percentages are approximations. The first time I mixed it around 12% which burned really bad and since it was my first time doing it I washed it off after about 1 1/2 minutes. I only frosted a little around my mouth and between my eyebrows (which is where I'd concentrated the peel) My skin was red for a few days, turned dry and then flaky-peeled during days four and five, mostly in the areas that had frosted. After a couple more days it was back to normal.

The second time I was feeling braver and mixed it at 18% and left it on a good five minutes during which my face felt like it was on fire. I had a lot of frosting with this peel. My skin turned red then quickly brown on days one and two (I looked really funny and had to be at work unfortunately) then peeled off in sheets over the next few days. My new skin was pinkish for a few days but I looked okay by the end of the week.

The third time I mixed it around 15% and left it on only a minute or so (couldn't schedule down-time for a more intense peel). My skin reacted kind of like the first peel - red then flaky peeling, though this time it took over a week to start really peeling and wasn't complete until about the two-week mark.

My experience has been that the stronger the peel solution/longer the solution is left on the skin, the quicker the peeling begins and concludes. I found that Elizabeth Arden eight-hour cream/ointment really helped me with all the dead skin coming off during the second peel. I did each of these peel 2-3 months apart due to my work schedule; I think the recommended waiting time between peels is 3 weeks or a month. Good luck to you!

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Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:18 pm      Reply with quote
thanks so much for your reply. It seems no one around here cares sometimes Sad
I was thinking of trying a 12.5 first but when i emailed platinum skin care they told me if i wanted an actual peel do 20 and if i wanted just to flake then do 12.5. Can you tell me about ur pre peel preparations, how u conducted the actual peel, and what you did after to make sure it produced good results sorry for all the questions.... Embarassed
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I had been doing light glycolic (20% or so, I have an adjustable kit of those as well) peels occasionally in the months before as well as using alpha hydrox souffle (12% AHA) most nights which helped prime my skin for the peel. I did cut these out though for a few days before my TCA to give my skin a chance to rest.

Right before the peel I washed my face and then applyed something acidic to help lower the pH of my skin (I think I used Paula's Choice 2% BHA, but you could use whatever you have on hand). As far as applying the peel, I just rolled it on with a qtip, being careful not to let any drip towards my eyes. I was also careful not to roll the qtip too close to my eyes since the skin is extra sensitive there. Once my face was covered that's when I started checking my time. My face started burning pretty quickly but I turned on a fan which helped some.

In the days after (especially with the second peel) I just basically washed my face daily and applied that Elizabeth Arden eight-hour cream since I had heard it was good for healing and my skin was looking horrible until it started peeling. I didn't use it with the first peel because I was afraid the moisture would inhibit the peeling process but if anything it helped me peel. The skin would just slide off once that stuff sat a while (sorry, I know it sounds kind of gross).

If I could work enough consecutive days off to do another 18% or higher peel I would. It worked a lot better than the lighter peels. The main thing to watch for is frosting, where your skin turns white. This is kind of scary but necessary. The areas that frost will be the ones that peel the most. If you don't notice much frosting after a few minutes (thought I feel you will), you can always add a second layer to give the peel a boost in strength.

I am happy to answer any questions you have. Smile
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Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:37 pm      Reply with quote
Forgot to add (though you probably already know) - it's super-important to wear a good sunscreen after you peel since you'll be more susceptible to burning/sun damage afterards.
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Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:05 pm      Reply with quote
ghetofabbabi07 wrote:
thanks so much for your reply. It seems no one around here cares sometimes Sad
I was thinking of trying a 12.5 first but when i emailed platinum skin care they told me if i wanted an actual peel do 20 and if i wanted just to flake then do 12.5. Can you tell me about ur pre peel preparations, how u conducted the actual peel, and what you did after to make sure it produced good results sorry for all the questions.... Embarassed

Hi there,
Just letting you know we do care but sometimes get busy. If you do a search you will find several threads that will help you with TCA peels. What Platinum said about the 12.5% and 20% is correct. The 12.5% is really light flaking - mind you a few people have posted that they frosted on 12.5% ??? - not the case with me. If you really want to maximise the results, nightly use of retin-a prior to the peel will really help. Make sure you stop the retin a one week prior to the peel though. HTH Dips
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:34 am      Reply with quote
thanks. so would using Alpha Hydroxy AHA souffle be good for a week up to the procedure or could i continue on with my NuCelle 10% Mandalic Serum?

oh and i will be wearing a superb sunscreen even tho i plan to do it in winter when the sun is minimal....thanks!
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:59 pm      Reply with quote
I'm not familiar with the NuCelle product you mentioned but it sounds like it would work fine. I just had already been using and loving the souffle.
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To all you expert "peelers" out there, what results did you get? Did the peel help with hyperpigmentation? How about old acne scars?
I purchased the 12.5% and am thinking about doing a 2 layer peel.
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I've done glycolic peels and TCA peels, I felt the TCA peel helped the most. It scared me at first to do it because it burned so bad and then later turned dark brown, I thought my skin was going to stay that way but it didn't. It peeled and looked much better. The lower concentration didn't help with pigmentation or tone that much because it didn't peel more than one layer. The higher the concentration the more layers it peels and it really needs to peel at least 3 layers to help with all that. Like the obagi blue peel most people peel 3-4 layers with that and that has 40-50% TCA in it. Good luck.
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I agree with the previous poster - the deeper peel helped the most. I have always had lots of freckles and the 18% TCA lightened those up. I could especially tell on my forehead where I didn't go all the way to my hairline how the freckles on the un-peeled skin were darker than those on the skin that peeled. Even now a few months later there is still a difference.
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Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:39 am      Reply with quote
Oh wow on the freckles...
So im happoy im going with the 20%...i was actually thinking of buyin the TCA Complex from Julie and layering that then following up with the 20% 10 days - 2 weeks later.
Thoughts?

Also i have been dyin to know...does it lighten your skin...like if i didnt do my forehead but did the rest of my face would there be a noticible difference.
thanks!
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I think as long as your skin has had sufficient time to heal from whatever peel you've done before you're okay to go ahead and do it again. Is the TCA Complex a regular TCA peel? Most recommendations are to wait three weeks between peels but I've heard of some people doing them closer together. I guess if the redness and peeling is complete then you could go ahead and do another.

And my overall skin tone did not lighten, just the freckles. My new skin was pink for a while and you could see the line (especially at the jawline) where I'd applied the solution, but after all that healed up the overall skin tone was the same.
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Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:37 am      Reply with quote
from what i've been reading 2 weeks is probably not enough time to let the skin heal before actually performing the peel again (taking into account that this is your first peel). When I did my first peel, the entire peeling process wasn't completed for two weeks even though most of the peeling occurred on the 3rd and 4th day. The skin remains very fresh (sensitive) for a good week afterwards, and a 20% TCA on fresh skin will probably BURN like mad (and potentially scar). I have very resistant skin as well, just for reference.

I would wait 4 weeks, depending on how well the peel worked on your skin, unless you are doing spot treatments which i've been told you can do it every 3 weeks if only concentrating on very small specific areas (like acne scarring). If it was a fairly deep peel for your skin, I would wait longer than 2 weeks. if you experienced only a light peel, 2 weeks could be ok. HTH.
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Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:40 am      Reply with quote
Hello, I've just discovered your site, it's brilliant for us skincare addicts! I'm from the UK, has anyone heard of or experienced an ICP (Innovative Conceptual Peel )as I'm about to have one as my practitioner says it's classed as a superficial peel but gets medium peel results without the shedding of skin, you get results after about 5 days, day 1 a tanned look, day 2 a sun burnt/pink effect, then new skin comes through, ridding you of acne scarring, pigmentation, etc; would love to hear anyone experience.

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Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:19 am      Reply with quote
thanks mamawalnut and ch3r,
ill take all your advice into account
i think ill wait about 2 1/2 weeks-3 weeks for my second application depending on how much it takes
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Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:09 pm      Reply with quote
You are welcome and please let us know how it turns out!
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Oh dont worry i will!!
I wont be doing though until December 19 when college gets out for winter break. I dont want people seein me get the uglies and i want there to be the least amount of sun out....But ill definately keep everyone posted....THANKS

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and suggestions for preperation and after care treatment? ive been reading up on cps and emu oil. Do i just use the cp after the peeling is done for like 2 weeks or for ever? i dont mind using the emu oil for ever
a week or 2 prior to the TCA treatment ill be using Alpha Hydroxys Souffle to prep my skin
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How long you use the copper peptides will just be your personal preference. I think they're a good investment in your skin for the long-term, but you'll have to see what you think about them. I've used them for a while (maybe six months or so) and have seen improvements in my skin but have been using other new products as well, so I'm not exactly sure if cps deserve all the credit. I do think they've helped though. I think I read in another thread that you're 18 - is that right? You may not need cps so young; maybe somebody with more cp experience than me can give jump in and give you some better advice.
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:13 am      Reply with quote
yea i am 18 mamawalnut thanks.
Yea i dont think i need them either. i dont really want to buy them it just seems everyone makes a big hoopla about them after tca peels. Im probably going to invest in a good sunscreen instead
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:43 pm      Reply with quote
Mamawalnut you had great advice and info. I would also suggest to Ghetto that you not do the 12.5 it's not going to do much, if you want to do it only because you are new to peeling and this will alllow you to become more comfortable with the higher concentration later, then it might be a good reason to do the lower concentration first. It's kind of scary, especially the first time doing it, I got mine off Makeup Artists choice and I got a sample size that cost almost nothing, then moved up from there. Good luck.
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