Undereye Massage to help thicken skin
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free skin care · Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:31 pm

I read somewhere that you can massage the undereye skin to help thicken it.

But I could not remember which forum it was, and how to do it exactly.

Has anyone heard of this before?

Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:37 pm

FlexEffect, maybe? I think that's where I read it.

free skin care · Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:45 pm

Search for the "Flex Effect" thread, they talk a little about the massage in there.

But don't expect to get any instruction on it, they seem to keep it a deep dark secret unless you purchase the program... Rolling Eyes

If you ask, usually Sean will jump in and say something like.. "I wouldn't want you to do it wrong, so you need to have the program and go to the FE forum"... Or words to that effect. Rolling Eyes

Anyway I wound up buying a used program on ebay, and the page with the code was torn out, so I can't get to the members section of the forum anyway.. I wrote several emails, all of which remain unanswered to this day. Really crappy CS IMHO. The only thing I like about the whole thing are the 14 main exercises, and I already had them from the internet.

For me it was a waste, because the book doesn't explain the massage well. If I have to guess if I'm doing it right, I'd rather not do it at all.

Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:00 pm

What about regularly using something like the Vaculifter in the under eye area? Would it help thicken the skin there? hmm

free skin care · Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:04 pm

Has anyone used dermaroller right under the eyes?

free skin care · Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:54 pm

havana8 wrote:

What about regularly using something like the Vaculifter in the under eye area? Would it help thicken the skin there? hmm

Ya know what havana, I'm even afraid to think it too loud, but the Vaculifter seems to be doing a *little* something for the face in general, and my [ Rolling Eyes

dreaded bags Rolling Eyes

] in particular.

With that said, I'll also add it's only slightly noticeable. (Oh how I wish I took a couple of pictures before I started.) Nothing short of surgery will get rid of the genetic fat pockets, but if I can tighten things up a bit, they become *less* apparent.

free skin care · Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:31 pm

Kassy those remarks are a little unfair.

Its not kept secret as such, but obviously the place to discuss it or any aspect of the program is on the forum created by the person who designed the exercises, which has staff on it daily checking in.

In the past, when we did talk about it, the ideas or concepts we were teaching started appearing elsewhere and usually without full explanation. Also when your talking about something like the eye area, a persons health, diet etc are usually quite significant factors as are what they are using on the eye area because of the lymph etc. Thats one of the reasons why we tend to suggest if people purchase the materials to put their questions on the forum there. Also that site your probably referring to doesn't have authorisation for those exercises and we are in the process of trying to get them to remove it. Again its the material reproduced without permission.

As for your emails, well the forum is always staffed usually so your query would have been answered there. Emails come in their thousands literally to Deb every day and she does work through them but because they are so large in number it does take her a while.

I think the book does explain a form of massage that people can adapt for themselves individually, no one form or method out there is set on stone for everyone.

free skin care · Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:04 pm

Hi Sean, All I can say, is that my post was my honest opinion. Anyone who reads the 'Flex Effect' thread that Winnie started recently, will find that what I have stated is true regarding 'massage'.

I am not in the least surprised, that your above post is totally in defense of Flex Effect, and didn't offer any answers to the problems that have effected me personally..

I'm still back at square one, with a program that is for the most part useless, without the code needed to find the answers I need on the 'member's section of the FE forum.

It's too bad that Deb has to be bombarded with 'thousands' of emails per day, but I would hazard a guess that they aren't all singing her praises, and probably most are from people like myself who need answers that aren't forthcoming.

If you would like to PM me with either the massage info I need to perform it correctly, or the 'code' I need to get into the forum, I will be happy to retract my above statement, and tell the world that my problem was solved.

In the meantime I stand behind every word I said in my previous post.

Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:05 pm

No offense, but I can't rightfully see expecting to gain access to a paying members only area from a used program bought on ebay. It's like buying used software and complaining that there is no serial number (not a surprise) or buying used software that has already been registered and expecting that someone like Adobe or Microsoft will honor it. It just doesn't happen.

That's encouraging that you might be seeing a hint of something good from the vaculift already, Kassy.

free skin care · Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:24 pm

havana8 wrote:

No offense, but I can't rightfully see expecting to gain access to a paying members only area from a used program bought on ebay.

Actually I am a bit offended. Do you really believe that because I saved $10. off the suggessted retail price, that I should get an inferior product?

BTW, it's not an additional fee for the 'member's' section of the FE forum. It's for anybody that buys the FE program... There is no stipulation saying where it has to be bought.

Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:02 pm

Not trying to offend at all, Kassy, Wink

just saying that it seems unlikely that buying a used book off ebay will give you access to the members only area or even allow you to re-use the code as it is likely already attached to a user name.

In reading the product descriptions on the Flex Effect webpage as well as on the order page, it says that Workshop Online Training is included with the purchase of the complete program (Book & "Personal Trainer" CD/DVD) which I assume must be from FlexEffect themselves.

flexeffect wrote:

Complete Program
Book – Personal Trainer CD – DVD or VHS

* Entitles you to WorkShop On-line Training
WorkShop is a privilege not a purchase

http://www.flexeffect.com/product.htm
http://www.flexeffect.com/order.htm

Also, the letter included with the book/CD says that "By purchasing the Book/CD, you are entitled to on-line training. On-line training takes place on our Work Shop Forum. You will need your code number to gain access to that Forum. When registering on the Workshop Forum, place your code # next to your USER name... example John1234."

But hey, maybe Sean will be able to confirm.

Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:41 pm

p.s. forgot to mention that the assigned code is on the enclosed welcome letter and that it says, "for safekeeping, write your code # in your book"

free skin care · Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:02 pm

I did purchase the entire package, and have the book and video. The price at FE was $69. and I paid $59. When I made my purchase on ebay, I was led to believe it was a brand new complete program. It was only when I received it and was looking for the code in the book after I had it almost a week, that I saw that the a page had been ripped out, that was apparrently where the code was.

I went back and forth with the ebay merchant to no avail, and that's when I tried to contact FE. I'm sure you can understand the frustration I'm feeling after all this time, with no resolution to my dilemma.

It was bad enough to have found an unscrupulous dealer on ebay, but the FE folks apparrently don't really care about the success of the people who buy the program, once the deal is done, because I'm still waiting for a response.. To add insult to injury, the only reason I bought it to begin with was for the massage instruction. I already had the 14 exercises I was interested in.

It's okay though, a lot of people have been ripped off for a great deal more that $60. bucks. We all live and learn in the end..

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:38 am

Kassy it may be your honest opinion but its not at all fair or just to the other people involved.

I would have been more than happy to help you with the eye massage - but as stated before thats not what this forum is for and you would have been better posting your question to any one of the live trainers at the FlexEffect forum which is supported daily and staffed.

We wouldn't have been able to supply you with an activation code, that is something that Deb would be the only person to do (and as you say you didn't buy the program from her so she would be in her rights to not provide you with one), but we certainly could have helped you in your technique or understanding of it.

If you really believe the program is useless then why don't you return it to the seller. There is plenty of information on the FlexEffect forum that could have helped you out if you needed it (including the massage).

Your comment about Deb being bombared with emails is also something I disagree with, and it feels like its actually intended as an insult. More often than not she is bombared by people with questions either about personal training with us or a trainer. When she does get questions from people who purchased the program - she always points them in the direction of the forum. As for answers that aren't forthcoming, the simple fact is many people do the program with success and achieve results. Many if not the majority of the people on the befores and afters section didn't receive an actual class, so have used the dvd and book.

As for your statement about the "Fe folks don't really care about the success of people who buy the program" that is completely untrue and offensive. At the FE board, many of the trainers are doing their utmost for people. I myself put a lot of time per week on top of my teaching schedule helping people out with questions, helping them to refine their technique etc. Your statement couldn't be further from the truth and the $69 is a bargain when you consider how much the trainers do which purchasers gain access to.

Ultimately why you decided to purchase FlexEffect from, and your words "unscrupulous" source was your decision, and not something you can really hold anyone else accountable for. The webpage does state that you need the code to gain access to the forum, and probably a code was issued to your seller. Its not a page within the book - so goodness knows if the book you have has pages missing.

I am not going to offer you assistance in your technique on this forum, thats really incosiderate of you to suggest I do so, as this forum is not an extension of FE. If you do have queries with FE you should post them on the FE forum where you would have gotten appropriate help.

Sorry but I do find your post to be offensive and disagree with almost all you say. happy.

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:20 am

Sorry the message got cut off at the end:

Sorry but I do find your post to be offensive and disagree with almost all you say. happy.... to help anyone with queries on the FE forum with the exercises but I don't want to clog up EDS with it. After all EDS is fantastic in what it does and its not connected in any way to FE.

You say I haven't provided answers to your questions... but as I said in my very first post the FE forum is the place for those. There are lots of trainers on there who would be able to assist you.

There is no list of sellers on the site, simply because it should only come from FE direct. We can't control others selling it on but its not something we have had experience of before and I will speak to Deb about this to make an official notice perhaps about it.

You say I should PM you - but shouldn't you PM me - after all you are the one having difficulty with the program not me. You know I am a trainer at FE so you could easily have PM'd me before but you chose not to.

I am glad the vaculifter is helping your undereye area, and do wish you well all the same in your journey with your face but am disappointed to see that you felt the need rather to PM me with your problem but to post what looks like an attack on FE on this forum.

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:21 am

Ok, I'm an outsider and I'm not planning on looking into FE anytime soon, but I want to say, SeanySeanUK, you're really not coming off well here. The words "I would have been happy to help" but now I wont because you didn't ask in the right place make is seem like you're being plain old mean and spiteful.

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:14 am

Nimue, I am not but there are strict rules for participating in this forum and I really don't want to break them.

Also, there is a forum specially set up for purchasers of the program which is staffed daily by people trained in the technique who would be more than happy to answer anyones questions on the program. There really isn't any spite in my answers intended at all and I am sorry that you feel that is the case.

Simply this forum isn't for the discussion of the technique of Flex Effect. I don't think that is being mean or spiteful, however posting a problem with the system which could easily have been put on the FE forum is in my honest opinion not a caring thing to do. Kassy also knows me from other threads on here and could have quite easily have PMed me for advice.

I am more than happy to help on the FE forum which is where Kassy's questions might be of benefit to others without doubt, but its not fair for me to monopolise this forum for the benefit of Flex Effect.

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:19 am

Ok fine. I just want to get one thing straight. If Kassy pm's you asking for advice now, will you respond to her with the advice she needs?

SeanySeanUK wrote:

Nimue, I am not but there are strict rules for participating in this forum and I really don't want to break them.

Also, there is a forum specially set up for purchasers of the program which is staffed daily by people trained in the technique who would be more than happy to answer anyones questions on the program. There really isn't any spite in my answers intended at all and I am sorry that you feel that is the case.

Simply this forum isn't for the discussion of the technique of Flex Effect. I don't think that is being mean or spiteful, however posting a problem with the system which could easily have been put on the FE forum is in my honest opinion not a caring thing to do. Kassy also knows me from other threads on here and could have quite easily have PMed me for advice.

I am more than happy to help on the FE forum which is where Kassy's questions might be of benefit to others without doubt, but its not fair for me to monopolise this forum for the benefit of Flex Effect.

Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:35 am

From a PR perspective alone, all SeanySeanUK should do here is offer help and follow through, without criticizing an unhappy customer.

Something like "I'm so sorry to hear you've been having trouble, I've pm'd you..."

Certainly not " You say I should PM you - but shouldn't you PM me - after all you are the one having difficulty with the program not me."

Quote:

...but its not fair for me to monopolise this forum for the benefit of Flex Effect.

I disagree. I feel that ESD is the perfect place to discuss all products and having input from product representatives only enriches (in some cases) the ESD experience.

Basically what I'm seeing (and I'm not a Flex Effect customer) is SeanySeanUK validating Kassy_A 's compaints.

I won't be purchasing a Flex Effect after reading this tread. Laughing

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:47 am

My thoughts exactly. SeanySeanUK is representing his brand here.

rowmare wrote:

From a PR perspective alone, all SeanySeanUK should do here is offer help and follow through, without criticizing an unhappy customer.

Something like "I'm so sorry to hear you've been having trouble, I've pm'd you..."

Certainly not " You say I should PM you - but shouldn't you PM me - after all you are the one having difficulty with the program not me."

Quote:

...but its not fair for me to monopolise this forum for the benefit of Flex Effect.

I disagree. I feel that ESD is the perfect place to discuss all products and having input from product representatives only enriches (in some cases) the ESD experience.

Basically what I'm seeing (and I'm not a Flex Effect customer) is SeanySeanUK validating Kassy_A 's compaints.

I won't be purchasing a Flex Effect after reading this tread. Laughing

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:18 am

Nimue wrote:

Ok fine. I just want to get one thing straight. If Kassy pm's you asking for advice now, will you respond to her with the advice she needs?

Thanks for the support Nimue + Rowmare!

I PM'd Sean on another thread a while ago, and he did respond, and advised me to go to the FE forum. Since then I've exhausted other avenues, including the FE forum, but haven't been able to get a simple answer to my question which is "How exactly to tap, pinch + roll the skin, without causing more harm than good"?

As you can see from Sean's previous posts, defending FE is really his priority, and I really do understand that. But to be perfectly frank, his posts to me are way out of line. Unless I am mistaken, I believe that EDS is the place where we can all share our experiences, good or bad, with each other.

My posts are a reflection of 'my' experience regarding my purchase of FE from Ebay, and my annoyance at the lack of support since. The open FE forum does not address my question, (You shouldn't make assumptions Sean without knowing the facts BTW!), and the archives didn't either. And as anybody reading this thread can clearly see, Sean is going out of his way to insult me and protect FE. It would have been much more constructive, instead of going on and on at me in a negative fashion, to answer my one simple question:

"How exactly to tap, pinch + roll the skin, without causing more harm than good"?

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:45 am

Ditto. Sean, the EDS forum is EXACTLY the place to discuss such things. You had a terrific opportunity to represent Flex Effect well here, and garner many new customers, but you did not do it. (It happens; Lips2Kiss did the same thing, early on in that very long thread.) In the future, please consider your entire audience, not just your current customers.

Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:48 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

And as anybody reading this thread can clearly see, Sean is going out of his way to insult me and protect FE.

I'm sorry, I don't see this at all.

Thanks for doing your best to explain, Sean. I understand the reluctance to discuss the actual techniques in detail here on EDS. It's good to know that if we actually spring for the full program, though, that the private members area is staffed with real trainers and additional training assistance/support.

Kassy, I hope you get your ebay purchase resolved and that the seller gives you your money back so that you can buy an authentic, supportable product from FE. Can you lodge a complaint with eBay against a seller if you feel they've misrepresented what they are selling?

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:24 pm

havana8 wrote:

[ It's good to know that if we actually spring for the full program, though, that the private members area is staffed with real trainers and additional training assistance/support.

Jeez! I thought I did "spring" for the full program. Shame on me for looking for the best price.

Let that be a lesson to all the other Ebayer's out there. We shouldn't expect to get a legitimate product unless we go straight to the horses mouth....... hmm

!

How about we move on now, and get back to Ruk's original question:

{Can massaging the undereye skin help to thicken it? And how exactly do you do it?]

free skin care · Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:09 pm

shheeesshhh you guys, pm each other !
This is getting out of hand.

IMHO

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