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Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:24 pm  |
It's strange that it seems everyone else in this world has puffiness and dark circles under their eyes but me. No wonder almost all the eye products are meant for under eyes. I've been searching for a good eye lid product that really works wonders but yet to find it anywhere.
I've read the review about ZO Intense Eye Repair thought I was about to discover something perfect for me. Well, it was a big disappointment after I realized it was designed AGAIN for under eye only!
I used Obagi Nu-derm 3 years ago and I used it on my eye lids (that was the impression I got at that time - it was supposed to be used for the entire face). My eyes may have gotten big improvement after all, unfortunately I don't remember a thing if there was anything good happened to my eyes because at that time I wasn't paying any attention to the eyes. But I'm afraid by stopping Nu-derm system completely over a year ago might have taken the toll on my eyes just as it did to my face. As the result, my facial skin has been noticeably thicker and rough at least for the past 6 months therefore more wrinkles appeared when I smile. Since the skin on my face looks old so I assume the sag and wrinkles on my eye lids are the same results of this.
By reading the early thread about eye cream, I now want to try out L'Oreal Revitalift eye cream next time. Right now I'm using Roc completeLift, been only about a week. If say there's anything positive, then it would be the fresh look in the early morning right after I wash my face. But when the hours go by, so does the freshness. At the end of the day, I just don't see this eye life thing has done anything good. I may need to give it a longer time, but so far I'm not optimistic.
Anyway, enough about my sad story. In a short version, does anyone know of anything that REALLY works for eye lids, everyday! If you sometimes see the result sometimes don't, that means it doesn't work, because eating healthy, and/or doing exercise, and/or having a good night sleep would do the trick.
Have been frustrated for quite a few months now, really need to see some light.
Thanks a lot! |
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Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:50 pm |
| I hope you get some responses, as this is actually why I 'stopped' over here to read tonight, too! I have what I describe as little crinkles in the inner corner of my upper lid. HATE it! No other concerns, so I hope to find a product for that use, too. I thought of trying Serious Skin Care Reverse Lift....heard anything about that? |
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Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:24 pm |
snakebaby, the ZO eye cream can be applied to your lids -
"As for the use of the eye cream on the upper lids, I assure you that it can be applied to the entire periorbital area without any problem.
Donna Queen
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Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:36 pm |
That sounds great - hopeful and encouraging. Thanks! I'll search around to see if anyone has had successful stories with ZO eye. But I'd also want to know which is better - ZO or Elastiderm? In my particular case, I don't care much about crow's feet, I care so much about upper lid wrinkles, anything that would do that trick would be for me. I now started putting Clear on the lids, the old looking skin just won't go away and don't know when it will. I can't wait to get the retin A prescription from my doctor so the old skin could shed off immediately.
By the way, is retin A purely used to peel off the old skin with Obagi? Are there other benefits in this case? Thanks |
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Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:04 pm |
| snakebaby wrote: |
In my particular case, I don't care much about crow's feet, I care so much about upper lid wrinkles, anything that would do that trick would be for me. I now started putting Clear on the lids, the old looking skin just won't go away and don't know when it will. I can't wait to get the retin A prescription from my doctor so the old skin could shed off immediately.
By the way, is retin A purely used to peel off the old skin with Obagi? Are there other benefits in this case? Thanks |
Retin A is not used primarily to exfoliate in the case of Nu Derm...it used to rebuild collagen and elastin under the skin surface. However, in the early stages of RA usage, the top layer of cells are dehydrated and fall off in what is called "false exfoliation" by Dr. Obagi.
I have not heard anything great about Elastiderm...hopefully Rileygirl can weigh in here since I think she has used it.
As far as upper eyelid wrinkles, you are going to have a VERY hard time finding any eye cream that will do that. Relastin is one you may want to try..I did see some lift with that.
However, your best bet will undoubtedly be facial exercises. Those are about the only thing that will save you from upper eyelid surgery. Check out the FlexEffect.com website and look over their before and after pics. Scroll down and you will see tons of links to various sets of pics.
http://www.flexeffect.com/beforeafter.htm |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:35 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| I have not heard anything great about Elastiderm...hopefully Rileygirl can weigh in here since I think she has used it. |
Well, sorry to say that I used the Elastiderm for 6 weeks and I did not see any miracles!
I am thinking your best bet may be to use the RA on your lids, extremely lightly and only 1-2 times a week to see how you react. I personally do not do this, but there were a lot of woman from a different board that used RA on their lids and thought that it really helped over time.
ETA: Sorry, wanted to add that the ZO eye cream has given me a slight lift in the eyelid area. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:02 am |
| My dermatologist told me to put Renova on my eyelids, as well as the rest of my face, something I hadn't been doing with it, and it made a big difference in the skin texture there, which I notice mostly when I'm applying eye makeup. I apply Renova lightly, getting as close to the lashes as I can without touching them because the stuff burns if it gets into my eyes. |
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I’m 60, never smoked, eat healthy, fitness center + hiking, lots of water and nutrients, size 4 jeans  , some lower facial sagging, but it’s improving with AALS, Clarisonic, Remergent, L2K, (including her new hand held devices), Ageless exercises, peels, OCM, etc. “This is my face; deal with it.” Annette Bening |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:16 am |
| Elastiderm did nothing. The only thing that worked for me on the lids was PSF cranberry eye. I used it under an eye cream under my eye and alone on the lids (not greasy). I need to reorder..I stopped using it a while ago and can definitely see a difference. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:34 am |
| marina wrote: |
| Elastiderm did nothing. The only thing that worked for me on the lids was PSF cranberry eye. I used it under an eye cream under my eye and alone on the lids (not greasy). I need to reorder..I stopped using it a while ago and can definitely see a difference. |
Yes, I agree with marina! I forgot all about the PSF cranberry and this really did work to lift the eye lid area for me! Thanks for the reminder, marina! I will dig mine out of box and start using it! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:35 am |
I had some issues with upper lids and after starting FlexEffect my eyes are lifted and no problem with wrinkling with upper lids. I am even able to wear my slightly shimmery eye shadow which can be a no no for wrinkled upper lids. The exercises have done remarkable things for my lower face as well. 
Toby |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:59 am |
| rileygirl - which eye cream do you prefer ZO or PSF cranberry? |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:06 am |
| mpstat wrote: |
| rileygirl - which eye cream do you prefer ZO or PSF cranberry? |
Helping out till Riley pops in..I haven't tried the ZO but, the PSF is a gel (very light) so it would not replace an eye cream under eye if you have dry skin. Personally, I'd use both if I could get my hands on the ZO  I view the PSF as an immediate (and long term) product while the ZO may have results over the longer term. Plus, if you are sensitive or have oily lids, the PSF works great there alone. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:45 am |
| marina wrote: |
| mpstat wrote: |
| rileygirl - which eye cream do you prefer ZO or PSF cranberry? |
Helping out till Riley pops in..I haven't tried the ZO but, the PSF is a gel (very light) so it would not replace an eye cream under eye if you have dry skin. Personally, I'd use both if I could get my hands on the ZO I view the PSF as an immediate (and long term) product while the ZO may have results over the longer term. Plus, if you are sensitive or have oily lids, the PSF works great there alone. |
Hi, mpstat. Marina said exactly what I would have said! (Thank you Marina!!)
I love the ZO eye cream and honestly (even though there have been no studies showing this, so there is no scientific data here - this is just my opinion) the ZO has caused nice lash growth! I have not seen anything as of yet in the diminishing of wrinkles under/around my eyes, but I, like Marina, view this as a long term product that will take a while (at least for my non-reactive skin!) to work.
The PSF gel gives an immediate lift to my eyelids (temporarily for myself when I used it, but probably long term with good consistent use). My plan is to use the PSF on the lids and continue the ZO under and around my eyes and on my brow bone (over the PSF). I'll keep you posted on results! Hope that helps! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:53 am |
| So they compliment one another. Thank you rileygirl and marina! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:20 pm |
Thank you all very much for providing various tips, advice and information.
I went to check out flexeffect.com immediately after bethany suggested. I found 3 different doctors in the state I live, two are relatively close to my home. I contacted both, but the only phone number is no longer in service while the other one rejected rejected my email. At this moment I'm still hoping I would receive something from one of them. It didn't give me any good feelings about this.
Toby, since you already used this program and it worked so well for you, could you please give me any detailed information? Do they offer instructions on CDs, or books? Do I have to go take a class locally in order to learn how to do facial exercise? BTW, are they expensive? How many sessions do I need to take if I'm lucky enough to go to a class?
I also searched on Renova a little. I didn't know this product before. Now I learned that the key ingredient is Tretinoin, only in lower strength at 0.02%. I wonder what is the difference between Renova and the Tretinoin 0.1% I'm going to get from my doctor? If Renova can be applied on upper lids, why can't I do the same with Tretinoin 0.1% if I use 1/6 of the amount of Renova? Any ideas, please? I assume I can only get Renova by prescription, correct?
ZO eye is surely expensive. I'll have no problem buying it if it absolutely works for my upper lids. But I'm still not quite sure at this point. I may go to the near by nordstrom (luckily it would be no more than 15 min. drive from my home) that carries Obagi products as soon as I have a chance. I hope they would give me a little bit of sample to try out. I'll see. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:36 pm |
Oh, also to be honest, the more I learned, the more confused I feel about all the products.
1. If Renova alone works so well as an anti wrinkle product, then why do we have to bother with soooooooooooo many other skincare products? I understand Obagi Nu-derm is different as an example, since it renews your skin which I assume isn't something Renova could do by itself.
2. What is better about OZ than Nu-derm? Can it simply replace Nu-derm?
3. Once I'm done with Nu-derm, can I use something else to replace Nu-derm maintenance products? The only reason I may consider switching to a different line is because the texture of Nu-derm products seems to be thick and dry, more like medicine rather than a regular skincare cream. Also since the maintenance doesn't require you to use Ne-derm everyday, I'd better find something else to use in between yet works same wonders.
4. If FlexEffect really works so well, do we still need all these skin care products?
Anyway, just some of my natural feelings, can't help expressing out see if anyone share the same.
Any ideas would help. Thanks! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:41 pm |
| snakebaby - FlexEffect is not a skin care product , it is a system of facial exercises that you do at home. You do not need to attend any classes to do FLexEffect. The cost of a book plus DVD is about $60. FlexEffect targets muscles and tones them. You do need skin care products in addition to FlexEffect. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:00 pm |
| snakebaby wrote: |
Oh, also to be honest, the more I learned, the more confused I feel about all the products.
1. If Renova alone works so well as an anti wrinkle product, then why do we have to bother with soooooooooooo many other skincare products? I understand Obagi Nu-derm is different as an example, since it renews your skin which I assume isn't something Renova could do by itself.
2. What is better about OZ than Nu-derm? Can it simply replace Nu-derm?
3. Once I'm done with Nu-derm, can I use something else to replace Nu-derm maintenance products? The only reason I may consider switching to a different line is because the texture of Nu-derm products seems to be thick and dry, more like medicine rather than a regular skincare cream. Also since the maintenance doesn't require you to use Ne-derm everyday, I'd better find something else to use in between yet works same wonders.
4. If FlexEffect really works so well, do we still need all these skin care products?
Anyway, just some of my natural feelings, can't help expressing out see if anyone share the same.
Any ideas would help. Thanks! |
1. Renova alone is fine if you don't have any severe hyperpigmentation issues to deal with and are just focusing on fine lines/wrinkles. The difference between Renova and Retin A is Renova has an add moisturizer in it. You can try to use Retin A on your lids very sparingly.
2. ZO is a great skin care line. It does not replace Nu Derm. Nu Derm is a medical line, ZO is sold over the counter. ZO is great to incorporate into your maintenance on Nu Derm (or as a stand alone line if you don't have major issues of hyperpigmentation to deal with).
3. You need to stay on the Nu Derm for maintenance, or you will be right back where you started prior to using Nu Derm. You can use another skin care line on your off days from Nu Derm, and like I mentioned in #2, ZO is great as part of the Nu Derm maintenance. (ZO was created by Obagi).
Hope that helps! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:20 pm |
Thank you, mpstat, for pointing out there is a program package available for sale. Silly me I should've noticed the link to the product purchase on that site. I did know it is a program, not a skincare, but the results are seem to be so good from those photos and I personally am a believer of facial massage. A classmate of mine who is a doctor (and his wife is a Chinese doctor) told me few years ago that massaging your face would prevent wrinkles. Though I have no idea exactly how FlexEffect works, I believe the fundamentals must be the same as facial massaging - exercise the muscles or/and improve blood circulations.
rileygirl you have been so helpful along the way, and you seem to know so much about everything. Thanks for all the helpful information.
I actually don't have any severe hyperpigmentation issues at all. But since I already started Nu-derm (and especially now my face looks so dry and old), I'd better and will continue to stick to it till I achieve the desired results. I think I will try retin A on my lids as you suggested, just put on little bit. If it doesn't go well, then I'd try others, or maybe just Renova so to make things easier.
How's your second time around with Obagi after you stopped it as I did? Have you achieved exact same result as you did first time? I'm worried a lot more this time since my face is not really peeling (only my chin) and my skin really looks much older than before. Sometimes I may lose hope and feel like maybe my face would look like this forever. I'm still waiting for the retin A prescription. I called the medical center prescription line today and left an urgent message to see if they can mail it to me tomorrow. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:25 pm |
| Toby, I'm interested in trying out FlexEffect soon. The site stated they have some videos available for ~$30. They also have a complete set. I wonder whether or not you know a video is good enough for learning how to's? Do you have the complete set with book? Did you find it very helpful that I should order the complete set? Thanks a lot. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:32 pm |
| snakebaby wrote: |
| How's your second time around with Obagi after you stopped it as I did? Have you achieved exact same result as you did first time? |
My skin is coming along nicely. I am flaking around my chin and neck mostly (which is the area that was dry and flaky the last time around!). I am into week 5 now. My pigmentation is fading nicely. So far, so good!
Don't give up snakebaby. The Nu Derm will give you "new skin". Stick with it for 18 weeks and see how your skin looks (you've already spent the money, might as well use it!). The old, dry look is very normal early in the program, but it will get better! You will be very pleased with your skin. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:14 pm |
| snakebaby wrote: |
| Toby, I'm interested in trying out FlexEffect soon. The site stated they have some videos available for ~$30. They also have a complete set. I wonder whether or not you know a video is good enough for learning how to's? Do you have the complete set with book? Did you find it very helpful that I should order the complete set? Thanks a lot. |
snakebaby - I'll chime in on FlexEffect. You are better off getting a complete set, e.g. book AND DVD. DVD contains only a subset of exercises, while the book has all of them. In addition when you get a set, you will be granted access to FlexEffect Members only forum. If you get a book only or DVD only you will not get access to this forum. |
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:57 am |
It simply feels so warm and encouraging hearing from you on my concerns. I will definitely stay with Nu-derm. In fact, my face already looks noticeably better just today, those magnified wrinkles and roughness subsided. This no doubt comforted me a lot. The skin is still old, of course, since I have yet to get my prescription. I can't wait to see how I'd look like as soon as the peeling begins.
I should get few free exercise instructions from someone to get a a feel of FlexEffect. I will buy the complete program if I feel it is indeed something I'd like to seriously try.
All the best! |
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