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Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:58 am

I believe that the poster with the username Earich may be an associate for goldportbeauty or is somehow linked with the manufacturers of Silkia camellia oil. Please read this post fully and you will realize this to be true!!Earich wrote this glowing testimonial about Silkia camellia oil:

I used Silkia camellia oil which indeed got rid of my very deeply pitted acne scars on the forehead after one and a half years. I’ve never even dreamed that it was possible. So the oil will help, but you have to give it a lot of time.

On Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:07 pm, Earich wrote about the grades of Camellia oil that various companies are offering:
“Camellia oil is classifed into a couple of grades based on its uses:

1. industrial grade - for keeping utensils sharp and shiny, etc
2. cooking grade - for cooking, just like olive oil
3. medical or therapeutic grade - used as an injection carrier or as an ingredient in herbal medicines. So far this application is very limited.
3. cosmetic grade - for skin and hair care

So a "cosmetic grade" camellia oil just means it's tailored for skin and hair care as opposed to other applications. In no way does it mean it is a lower grade camellia oil.

On the other hand, "cosmetic grade" Essential Oils are a different story. They are Perfume Oils or Fragrant Oils which are adulterated with added ingredients or synthetic. These oils have minimal active ingredients and do not have the therapeutic properties of natural, pure Essential Oils. They may indeed contain only 3-5% active ingredients. But a carrier oil like camellia oil has 100% of the active ingredients, unless they are specified as camellia oil blends, i.e. mixed with other oils.”

On Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:54 pm, a post by the username Molly wrote this about an email from goldportbeauty about the difference between Silkia camellia oil and Epiderm camellia oil. Strangely, the email she received from the company has the exact same wording as the post from Earich. It is as follows:
“Their email to me............

There is no difference in effectiveness between Silkia camellia oil and Epiderm's camellia oil.

Please read below for explanations:

Epiderm Inc made a totally misleading description about their camellia oil. They lump camellia oil and essential oils together. Camellia oil is not an Essential Oil. To make a distinction between "cosmetic grade" and "therapeutic grade" essential oils in a product decription about a Carrier Oil, i.e. camellia oil, is totally misleading. Their claim that "cosmetic grade" camellia oil contains only 3-5% active ingredients is totally FALSE.

Camellia oil is classifed into a couple of grades based on its uses:

1. industrial grade - for keeping utensils sharp and shiny, etc
2. cooking grade - for cooking, just like olive oil
3. medical or therapeutic grade - used as an injection carrier ! or as an ingredient in herbal medicines. So far this application is very limited.
3. cosmetic grade - for skin and hair care

So when we say that a camellia oil is "cosmetic grade", it just means it's tailored for skin and hair care as opposed to other applications. IN NO WAY does it mean it is an inferior camellia oil.

On the other hand, "cosmetic grade" Essential Oils are a different story. They are Perfume Oils or Fragrant Oils which are adulterated with added ingredients or synthetic. These oils have minimal active ingredients and do not have the therapeutic properties of natural, pure Essential Oils. They may indeed contain only 3-5% active ingredients, as Epiderm claims. But a carrier oil like camellia oil has 100% of the active ingredients, unless they are specified as camellia oil blends - mixed with other oils…”

She received this response from the company over two weeks after it was written by Earich. The wording is EXACTLY the same. This seemingly proves that Earich is linked with Silkia or Goldportbeauty and therefore his testimonials are negated about the effectivensess of the oil because of a blatant conflict of interest. Can you ever believe testimonials about a company’s product when they are written by the company. No, of course not.

The vast majority of posts by this user have been related to the products from golportbeauty. This is a shame that this was allowed to happen on this site.

These forums are supposed to be a medium of objective, unbiased reviews and conversations. This is obviously not the case.

free skin care · Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:28 pm

???? I'm confused. What are you referring to?

free skin care · Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:46 pm

It took me a while, Candy, but I figured out what this post means. In plain English, skinny here thinks that the forum member named "Earich" is somehow linked to the company that makes silkia camellia oil. She suspects this because an email from the company was worded just like one of Earich's posts. It definitely looks a little suspicious, but I'm not too bent out of shape over it since I order my camellia oil from chidoriyaworld.com anyway!^-^

free skin care · Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:47 pm

Skinny meant simply that Earich's excited reviews abut Silkia Camelia Oil are not independent but more/less an advertizement from producer-related person ...
Well, Skinny, it's really sad - but how would you like to avoid it ? internet is anonym and you cannot recognize Estee Lauder behind a username skinny or lin23...

free skin care · Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:29 pm

Hmmm - the whole thread seems suspicious to me. A BRAND new poster putting a page long thread about a topic that I can't find being posted about on EDS in any recent history.

Most 'newbies' are very careful in their 1st few posts not knowing how it's going to be received.

Nevertheless - I love my Camillia oil - which by happenstance I got from Gold Port, and guess what? When I'm out, I'll re-purchase it from there because it's a good quality.

Guess I should stop posting here and bumping the thread up. Embarassed

free skin care · Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:08 pm

That's exactly what I thought when I first read her / his post few hours ago!!!

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:34 pm

Yes, I am a BRAND new member. Feel free to be suspicious of me.

I am not trying to discourage anyone from using this oil. I use it currently and it works quite well as a moisturizer (although it has caused some breakouts). If you use and love and it want to re-order it...GREAT!! I think that is fantastic that you have found a product that you love.

The reason that I have posted in this forum is because this site always came up when I googled for information involving camellia oil and scars before I bought the product. That is where I read the reveiws posted and others about camellia oil. It was earich's review about the complete removal of deeply pitted acne scars that made me immediatly buy the product.

I am only questioning camellia oil in regards to its scar removing capacity. I have never read anything anywhere else on the internet about someone having there scars completely removed with this oil (or anything else for that matter.)

I have read and been told a thousand times that this is a biological impossibility. I always try to keep an open mind about everything, but I have NEVER read about anyone having their scar completely removed with any product. There are literally thousands of products specifically formulated for scars, and still not one single person has ever reported having their scars completely removed by them.

I have read about people that have spent $20,000 on surgery, etc and their scars are far from being gone. It seems odd that someone removed "deeply pitted" scars with oil that costs $14 a bottle.

I believed this post from Earich in the beginning until I read that post from Molly which showed that earich is most likely posting sensational reviews to spur others to buy their products. Hell, it worked on me!

So, I bought this for my scars and my scars actually appear much more prominent since using the oil. Granted, it has not been long, but I didn't expect them to look worse than they have ever appeared before. Maybe they appear worse before the start to improve?

I was just hoping that someone would prove me wrong on here- I desparately want to be proven wrong. Has anyone else had there scars COMPLETELY REMOVED by using camellia oil of any brand?

The use of this oil has been around for years and years. Why is Earich the only one to ever report having their scars removed?

free skin care · Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:49 pm

No idea why this person said this & why you felt compelled to respond based on this 1 persons opinion.

I just looked up this persons 'user name'. They haven't posted here in nearly a year. And the thread you're referring to was from early March 2005.

No wonder all the confusion.

As a new member - I welcome you. But - geeze - I'm still so confused....

free skin care · Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:39 pm

I get what skinny's saying. I don't think she has any other point than to point out that possibly someone who seemed to be honestly reviewing a product is really a representative for the company. And its a really good observation but we don't know its true. Maybe the company sent that user the same worded email and she just used the info she got from the company to describe it? I don't know. But I wouldn't be surprised if it happens alot not just on this board but makeupalley or ANY review site for ANY kind of product where there's anonymity. I would want to be able to trust everybodys reviews but really it seems we should only trust the reviews of those that have been around for awhile with their posts or post on a multitude of topics. But even then you still never know!

free skin care · Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:34 pm

I have had many dealing with Goldport Beauty. I find the owner very honest. She sells other products besides camellia oil. Knowing her character I would believe that she would have put in her signature her connection with Goldport. You will find many past post by me in regard to AlphaDerma. After several months of use I obtained a job from Janson Beckett as a sales rep. Once I became a rep I put it in my signature when speaking of the product. I have not worked for JB for a long time but still speak of the product from time to time (especially when there is a discussion). EDS has very strict rules regarding this and doubt Mabsy or CaspersMum would have missed advertising. Most members have a very keen eye for such posts and report them.

After a year and a half of use perhaps the oil did help remove her acne scares Shock

. Good for her if it did. Fades come and go with products. We all get excited about a product and before you know it something else comes out that we MUST try. Just the nature of the beast.

Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:16 pm

I am brand new here. I did a google search under camellia oil for scars and it lead me to this board. I see this is a really old post.

I was wondering for those who have been using this now for awhile, do you really think it helps with scars or not. What's the verdict after all of this time?

free skin care · Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:39 pm

huskzee wrote:

I am brand new here. I did a google search under camellia oil for scars and it lead me to this board. I see this is a really old post.

I was wondering for those who have been using this now for awhile, do you really think it helps with scars or not. What's the verdict after all of this time?

Here's a thread you can check out...
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=4945&highlight=silkia

You can do a search to find threads on various products, but sometimes it helps to eliminate some popular words like "oil" and just search for "silkia" or "camellia" otherwise you end up with every product with the word oil in it!

free skin care · Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:31 am

I've read the "quotes" that skinny posted and have found that information to be technically accurate. I also went to the Goldport site and read their info on camellia oil, and once again found it to be extremely accurate.

Camellia Oil is a very stable oil, high in Oleic C18:1 fatty acid. This means that it will penetrate the skin easily, just as advertised, and will be non-greasy. There are other oils that are higher in Oleic, such as High-Oleic Sunflower which has over 90% Oleic acid. So, the one statement on Goldport saying that camellia is the highest oleic acid botanical oil is not quite right, but that's ok. I would recommend camellia oil as an excellent botanical oil for any cosmetic applications.

There are two things that need to be corrected on this thread in my opinion. First is the definition of an "essential oil". Far too many people are getting the wrong impression from this name.

An essential oil is one that gives off an aroma, and this type of oil is volatile. Essential oils evaporate, thus giving the fragrance that you smell. They don't remain on the skin for any time period because they evaporate off. "Fixed Oils" are botanical seed oils that do not evaporate. These are the types of oils used in cosmetics to obtain the benefits from their fatty acids, and in the case of jojoba, wax esters. Now here is where the confusion arises. Triglycerid "fixed" oils contain "essential fatty acids" such as Omega 3, 6, and 9. These are Linolenic, Linoleic and Oleic fatty acids, in that order. "Essential Fatty Acids" are materials that the body absolutely needs to function correctly. The name does NOT imply that they are volatile and give off an aroma. "Essential Oils" (volatile fragrance oils) are not something the body needs absolutely to function... See the difference now? So do not be lead down the incorrect path of thinking that because something is an "essential oil" the body absolutely has to have it.

Here some some very accurate definitions of an "essential oil":

Volatile, fragrant oils obtained from plants. Essential oils are distinguished from those known as fixed oils, which are mainly triglycerides of fatty acids. Essential oils have been obtained from over 3000 plants and are designated and defined by the plant species and sometimes the geographical location. The sources of these oils are diverse, including flower petals (for example, rose and jasmine), spices (cinnamon and ginger), pine oil and turpentine, and citrus fruit peels. Compounds present in the juice that may contribute to the distinctive flavor of a fruit or berry are not, strictly speaking, components of the essential oil. Chemically, essential oils are extremely complex mixtures containing compounds of every major functional-group class. The oils are isolated by steam distillation, extraction, or mechanical expression of the plant material; often only certain parts, such as roots, buds, leaves, or flower petals, are used. Essential oils have been produced and used for flavoring, incense, and medicinal purposes for many centuries.

Essential oil: An oil derived from a natural substance, usually either for its healing properties or as a perfume. Some pharmaceuticals, and many over-the-counter or "holistic" remedies, are based on or contain essential oils. Examples include products containing camphor or eucalyptus that help relieve congestive coughs, and the essential oils used in the practice of aromatherapy.

Any of various volatile liquids, such as rose oil or lavender oil, that have a characteristic odor and are produced by plants. Essential oils are composed primarily of terpenes and of lesser quantities of alcohols, aldehydes, esters, phenols, and other compounds that impart particular odors or flavors. They are used to make perfumes, soaps, flavorings, and other products.

Finally, one statement that is really misleading from skinny's post is:

Can you ever believe testimonials about a company’s product when they are written by the company. No, of course not.

If this statement is true, then every cosmetic corporation in the world are liars! If that is true, then how in the world are you supposed to have the confidence to buy ANY cosmetic product? Somebody must be telling the truth or no consumer would buy any cosmetic product...yet they do sell, and the great majority do work in some way or another. Virtually every cosmetic product is launched with only company information and testimonials to explain the efficacy of the product. To say that testimonials written by a company about their products are all false is too broad, too general, and completely misleading.

If I was a lawyer in a court, I'd ask the judge to throw that statement out of court. And I believe the motion would be granted.

Just my 2 cents worth on that.

Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:57 pm

rcascone wrote:

huskzee wrote:

I am brand new here. I did a google search under camellia oil for scars and it lead me to this board. I see this is a really old post.

I was wondering for those who have been using this now for awhile, do you really think it helps with scars or not. What's the verdict after all of this time?

Here's a thread you can check out...

You can do a search to find threads on various products, but sometimes it helps to eliminate some popular words like "oil" and just search for "silkia" or "camellia" otherwise you end up with every product with the word oil in it!

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