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Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:00 am  |
| I just wonder if there's a time when you should be realistic that no skincare product can help your skin, and you should go for a face lift? Then after that, you can maintain your new face with great skincare products? Has anyone gone this route? Would 60 be the right age to go for a face lift? |
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:18 am |
there's so much to say about this...
the first thing that comes to my mind..is how so many of us are discovering that it's facial exercises rather than skin care that can really do more to regenerate our facial muscles/skin.
the second thing that comes to my mind is that i want to be stunning being who I am now..(and in the future).. and to celebrate the beauty of a woman in her sixties (and...hopefully upwards) rather than..imo..(artficially) moving backwards to what I looked like at a younger age. |
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71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:36 pm |
When should you go for the surgery?
Well, everyone is different, but I would say, after you have tried facial exercises, like FlexEffect/Ageless If You Dare for at least a year.....if you still aren't where you want to be, then have a consult with the best surgeon you can find. Talk to ppl who've had it done and look good. |
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:46 pm |
| jasminerosey wrote: |
there's so much to say about this...
the first thing that comes to my mind..is how so many of us are discovering that it's facial exercises rather than skin care that can really do more to regenerate our facial muscles/skin.
the second thing that comes to my mind is that i want to be stunning being who I am now..(and in the future).. and to celebrate the beauty of a woman in her sixties (and...hopefully upwards) rather than..imo..(artficially) moving backwards to what I looked like at a younger age. |
I agree I don't want to get a face lift and make it obvious to everyone. I heard it's better to get a face lift before you actually need it badly, or everyone could tell what you've done. |
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:47 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
When should you go for the surgery?
Well, everyone is different, but I would say, after you have tried facial exercises, like FlexEffect/Ageless If You Dare for at least a year.....if you still aren't where you want to be, then have a consult with the best surgeon you can find. Talk to ppl who've had it done and look good. |
Great advice! Thank you, Fawnie. |
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:31 pm |
ruk, scroll down to the bottom of this page and look at some of the before/after photos. Pretty impressive!
http://www.flexeffect.com/beforeafter.htm |
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:22 pm |
ruk,
That is a good question. I thought it might be this year for me, but I've been doing FE/ageless facial exercises and I am thinking I can stave the knife off a bit longer. I have mixed feelings. I agree w/Jasmine about celebrating our womanhood, but I when I look at friends/family that are my age and look 10 years younger because they had a facelift, I am not so sure. |
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:33 pm |
| I have heard that once you have a facelift you should be prepared to do it again. Apparently, once you get the procedure, your skin will loose its elasticity (or something) and will age more rapidly. It makes some sense, but I am definitely suspicious.... This info came from someone who was trying to dissuade me from doing this in the future! |
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:22 pm |
Never for me.
Regardless of my fear of Doctors and surgery or of my belief that our abilities to remain youthful and vital grow stronger by the year...
..it's really more about that whenever I think of people I admire or want to be like; it never seems to involve how tight their skin looks.
I confess that I do like learning about what works, what doesn't and keeping it simple.
But for me, my vanity will have to be restrained to these more natural methods. |
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:38 pm |
bellydonna, I really think that's an old wives' tale. Once you have a FL, your face will continue to age and eventually start sagging again (unless you do facial exercises of course  . Since people who have had a FL are usually happy to have a second one, it somehow translates to "Your face will sag faster and you'll have to get it done again." Your face will age just the same whether you have had a facelift or not. |
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:39 pm |
| I know I may be in a minority, but I REALLY wish women would STOP getting facelifts. Not only is it over the top in the vanity department and usually is very obvious and unnatural looking, BUT the bigger reason is then you send the message to women everywhere that this is what you are supposed to do thus putting more and more pressure on women to under the knife to "keep up." The very worst message it sends is to your daughters, that this is what she will need to do when she gets older. Your daughters will have no idea what 55 or 65 is "supposed" to look like, because it is all fake and unnatural. I look at my mother who has had a facelift and breast implants and feel pressured, not good enough and the strong message has been sent that this is what you are to do. Not me!!! I won't do that to my daughter! Sorry for the rant - I guess I feel strongly about this! |
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40 years old, blonde & fair, acne prone skin, tazorac, BabyQ, lips2kiss and facial exercise |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:54 am |
Yes, Claris...
i feel that, too..and as asixty=three year old wwoman..i don't want to be longing after something that ia was on the past..and not having the experience of who i am right now..and appreciating and marvelling at the natural dynamic of this stage of my (this doesn't mean that life. |
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71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:16 am |
whoops...my last post got 'sent' before i was finished..or had proofed it...
but..
what i am trying to say is that..while i want to be as beautiful as i can naturally be at any age..i also want to be satisfied and happy with the grand adventure of experiencing myself at every age
...otherwise..(for me..and i can appreciate it feeling different for others)..it feels like a subtle (or not so subtle) form of self hatred...
and also ..to me..it feels like i would be giving the message to younger women that 'Youth'..and what we know and experience in youth... is somehow more valuable than what we become as women as we age...whereas..it's truly..i believe ..the opposite..
..as we age we become more powerful, deep, sensitive, compassionate, transformative .....and more of ourselves as women..we really come into our 'own'... and have great inner force to effect rich and meaningful change in the world. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:33 am |
| well I had a FL at 51 3 yrs ago and I am very happy I did. I look completely natural and it just rolled the clock back over 10 yrs and corrected flaws which I felt needed to be corrected. When you have obvious sag especially if exercises didnt work it will make a huge difference. I do facial exercises to keep from having another surgery.Its a fact that what psychologists have tried to do for women without success(self esteem) a plastic surgeon can do overnight.When you look better you will just feel better.My surgery was an investment since it has helped me make more money and get jobs. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:58 am |
(sorry, Charis..I didn't have an opportunity to proof your name before my first post was 'inadvertently' submitted..)
...and I can go on for so long with so much i feel about this...
.. it's gratifying to me, personally, that there are now beautiful movie stars like Kate Blanchett, Kate Winslett and others who say they will not have facelifts...(and two of my favorite deeply penetrating, powerful stars of the recent 'past'..Gina Rowlands and the French star Jeanne Moreau who, apparently, also never have had a facelift...how courageous and inspiring these two women are to me)
but..because i live in a society that so values youth and the 'look' of youth..naturally i sometimes also fall into (what is for me) a weaker and less empowered part of myself that knows how 'beautiful' i could be (by the standards of youth) if i were to have a facelift (especially the newer ones that focus on less deep pulling of the skin and more plumping of the face with fat or other fillers)so i don't want to be hypocritical and say this desire doesn't exist in a less knowledgeable and 'whole' part of myself
...but i know in my heart of hearts that what really makes me happy, and at one with myself, is the joy of experiencing the natural rhythm of life/existence/substance.. in a very powerful and sublime way. |
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71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:10 am |
Of course Kate winslett etc say they will never have a facelift!!!!!Why? Because they dont need it now! They will have a VERY different opinion when they hit 50.  They all cave and dont like to admit it...they have all done it...Julie Christie,Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda(she was REALLY against plastic surgery till she got old!)At least scarlet Johansen is honest and says when she gets old she plans on getting surgery!The unfortunate thing about Hollywood stars is the have tons of money but a lot of them do not pick the right surgeon and give plastic surgery a bad name. For the life of me I cant understand why priscilla Presley let a dr inject her face with silicone, which turned out to be something else and now she has destroyed her face for good.She had all the $$$ in the world, she didnt have to be cheap.Believe me I have worked for some of the wealthiest women in the world and they are cheap! |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:04 pm |
| Lucy - I absolutely agree with you on all points. It's easy to say No Facelift when you're in your 30's. I also hate all the celebs who claim they've had no surgery when common sense tells you these women pushing 50 or over cannot possibly still look like they're 35 or 40 because of good genes. Because they haven't admitted it, they have raised the bar for everyone and, at the same time, have established unrealistic expectations of what a cream or eating twigs & berries can actually do. It's hard to compete in the most areas of the job market if you look "older" because it's even common for men to get nips and tucks. I think if you're unhappy with the results of exercise and good skin care, it's time to consider surgery. If you're happy with the way you look, then I also think that's wonderful. Even though there are women who take it to extremes, I don't think plastic surgery should be viewed as a negative; it's just another way to improve one's appearance. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:15 pm |
| lucyluc wrote: |
| Of course Kate winslett etc say they will never have a facelift!!!!!Why? Because they dont need it now! They will have a VERY different opinion when they hit 50. They all cave and dont like to admit it...they have all done it...Julie Christie,Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda(she was REALLY against plastic surgery till she got old!)At least scarlet Johansen is honest and says when she gets old she plans on getting surgery!The unfortunate thing about Hollywood stars is the have tons of money but a lot of them do not pick the right surgeon and give plastic surgery a bad name. For the life of me I cant understand why priscilla Presley let a dr inject her face with silicone, which turned out to be something else and now she has destroyed her face for good.She had all the $$$ in the world, she didnt have to be cheap.Believe me I have worked for some of the wealthiest women in the world and they are cheap! |
Lucy, Never have more true words been spoken. I get so sick of these insane quotes from celebrities (who all look the same to me) about not having had surgery. Olivia N-J has had a few procedures and so has the one-who-threatens-to-sue-everyone-who-claims-that-she- has, initials CZ-J. Try a bleph, teeth and mouthwork for starters. Of course Kate W. (whom I adore) would say she wouldn't have surgery. She also said she would "never" slim down from her comfortable size, but she has. Pardon my rant but I hate all this deception. there is nothing wrong with PS, if it suits you, get it, but don't go to the Hollywood guys unless you want to look like you came out of a cookie cutter. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:39 pm |
| Sharon Stone is another one who claims she's not had PS. That's just BS (a baloney sandwich). |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:55 pm |
| Yes, she's another. There's an interesting site run by a PS that lists all the "stars" and what they have had done in his professional opinion. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:25 pm |
| I'll bet it's a long list. I saw Senator Claire McCaskill on Meet The Press this morning and her skin looked really good. I suspect a peel of some kind because she was unblemished and smooth. Couldn't really tell if she's had a lift. I think Hillary has had a lift but it looks really natural, not like Nancy Pelosi (who might be on her second one). The hardest thing about deciding to do PS (besides the expense) is finding a good surgeon because no one wants to talk about it. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:47 pm |
| I'll be hoping for a surgeon like Demi Moore's if I ever decide to get work done (I wouldn't do it now, but I'm only 33). That woman is so beautiful and natural looking, it's crazy. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:22 pm |
| Magica wrote: |
| I'll be hoping for a surgeon like Demi Moore's if I ever decide to get work done (I wouldn't do it now, but I'm only 33). That woman is so beautiful and natural looking, it's crazy. |
Agree.I will choose a great doctor to get a face lift about 50 or 60 years old. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:41 pm |
| The most amazing FL I ever saw was Anne Robinson. She looks stunning!!!! I'd love to know who her surgeon was but she made a pact with him never to tell. |
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:44 pm |
Yes, Demi Moore looks great but she started early. I hope she doesn't overdo it in the years ahead. I read awhile back that she was looking for a PS to get rid of the wrinkles on her knees because exercise wasn't tightening that area enough.
Anne Robinson sounds familiar but I can't place her. Was/is she in show biz?
I think Diane Keaton looks just incredible but it may be because I think she held out for a very long time, much later than most actresses. She always had perfectly wonderful skin which at one time she attributed to keeping covered up and to Erno Laszlo. But I saw her on Oprah a couple of years ago and the wrinkles around the eyes and neck were very apparent. Today, they're gone. But she doesn't look overdone, just mch younger than her 60+ age and she looks like herself. Wish I knew her dr.! |
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