Yet another new product?
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Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:12 pm

I am so confused with all the anti-wrinkle creams.The only real legit skin cream from my research is the new ones with these peptides eg. matrixyl. I did a search and every company is full of more hype than the next company. But then I came across an unique url that sells fashion tape and toupee tape and low and behold a new brand of Matrixyl. The only thing that kept my interest wasn't all the hype this time but the actual research that backed up claims. It talked about Argireline which I thought was suppose to be good, (but isn't) and the percentage of the peptide to be in the cream or it wouldn't be effective. I am going to read the rest of this site (I'm new) but thought you might be interested and if nothing else this "fashion tape" seems to be interesting!
http://www.hairtape.net
You're Lookin Good
(neat name) ha ha

free skin care · Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:50 pm

cute1 wrote:

I am so confused with all the anti-wrinkle creams.The only real legit skin cream from my research is the new ones with these peptides eg. matrixyl. I did a search and every company is full of more hype than the next company. But then I came across an unique url that sells fashion tape and toupee tape and low and behold a new brand of Matrixyl. The only thing that kept my interest wasn't all the hype this time but the actual research that backed up claims. It talked about Argireline which I thought was suppose to be good, (but isn't) and the percentage of the peptide to be in the cream or it wouldn't be effective. I am going to read the rest of this site (I'm new) but thought you might be interested and if nothing else this "fashion tape" seems to be interesting!
http://www.hairtape.net
You're Lookin Good
(neat name) ha ha

Argireline is a very good ingredient for removing wrinkles at 10%. Claiming all of a sudden that because it relaxes the facial muscles will cause loose skin is simply not true. The main ingredient in the DERMIS and EPIDERMIS that controls firming and elasticity is Elastin and Collagen. As you age your body slowly produces less Elastin and Collagen and your skin becomes loose. Loosing weight and other factors like genetics speed up that process. Making a claim that it is a trade off when using Argireline for wrinkles is not so. Like I said Elastin, Collagen and other ingredients produced by the body are the main contributors to the firmness of the skin. The Palmitoyl Peptide 3 or the Matrixyl formula that are used in such products as Strivectin are not as effective. The palmitoyl peptide 3 is supposed to help your body boost collagen production naturally. It is questionable that palmitoyl peptide 3 can cause collagen synthesis in the "birth layer" of the epidermis. For years now we have been able to supplement the epidermis with external collagen and successfully deliver it by using hydrolyzed collagen. That is collagen broken down into smaller molecules able to be absorbed into the "Birth layer" or the lowest layer of the epidermis. The addition of Firming ingredients into Argireline formulations again such as DMAE, ELASTIN and even HIGH POTENCY HAWAIIAN SEAWEED EXTRACT assures FIRMING and Absolutely Negates the possibility of loose skin caused by Argireline. I am not trying to promote any specific Argireline item but these claims about Argireline are false and I would be willing to back it up with clinical testing versus the less beneficial amino peptide {palmitoyl peptide 3}. Using Argireline items without extra Firming ingredients will not loosen skin! With the addition of DMAE, COLLAGEN, Elastin and even Seaweed Extract to a Argireline formula you can be sure your skin will not have to trade off anything! As a matter of FACT the MAIN COMMENT from people who use our item is that the First thing they NOTICE is the AWESOME FIRMING ACTION that takes place almost instantly. Please remember that anytime a new product is introduced for sale the best way to get sales is to put down other ingredients or to Scare people about the current active ingredient that is working. If anyone would like to discuss the benefits of Argireline please don't hesitate to post and myself or one of my Chemists will be happy to reply with real facts. Please remember these are our opinions based on real time testing, customer testimonials, and years of formulating cutting edge skin care products. Smile

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:30 am

argireline at 10% does work. My forehead and crows feet are testiment to that fact.

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:33 am

I agree, argireline does work and is a fantastic product! I've had fantastic results!

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:05 am

Cute1,

I have been using an Argireline product with other ingredients mentioned above for 4 months. More then lines and wrinkles my biggest success with the product was my skins firmness. Very happy

Winnie

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:44 am

Forgot something Cute1

Stick around if you want to firm up, plump up or learn how to spend lots of $$$$$$. We are very good at that here at EDS Forum.

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:44 am

Argireline just isn't working for me on my crow's feet. I've used 3 brands now, all with 10%. Maybe it doesn't work for everyone? I'm going back to Botox.

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:13 am

I have read that if you get botox and use argireline the effects last longer.Which has to be a good thing.

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:27 am

I'm happy with agireline too, but I must take issue with Ian's comments about stri-vectin. I used it on my 'bad' half of my face and my friend who was unaware of experiment saw me for the first time in a week and thought something had gone wrong with me. The effect was so noticeable, that after staring for a long time, she finally asked me what I had done to my face to make the skin so bad on the LH side (the stri-vectin free side). SV may not work for every one, but I was well pleased with the results. The down side is
1 it smells! (though not as bad as copper peptides)
2 Hideous packaging...like old man bum cream! (not a good reason I know, but then you all know how shallow I am!)

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:29 pm

Guapagirl
I'm tempted to order SriVectin. Did you really notice that big a difference?

What kind of a bad smell was it? A chemical smell or a perfume smell?

Also (sorry for all of the questions...) what are you ordering instead if you are not re ordering strivectin? Are there products with both matrixyl and argireline in them?

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:51 pm

It smells minty Confused

If you are just using on your face it lasts for about 5-6 months so is kinda economical...I'm not repurchasing as I'm giving copper peptides a go for 6 months, though they smell rancid Shock

I don't think it's gonna be any good for streatch marks before you ask, not unless they are small new ones anyhow.

free skin care · Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:27 pm

I was thinking of using the Strivectin for wrinkles (not stretchmarks).

Thanks for the info.

Let me know how it goes with the copper peptides!!

free skin care · Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:11 am

guapagirl wrote:

It smells minty Confused

If you are just using on your face it lasts for about 5-6 months so is kinda economical...I'm not repurchasing as I'm giving copper peptides a go for 6 months, though they smell rancid Shock

I don't think it's gonna be any good for streatch marks before you ask, not unless they are small new ones anyhow.

OOh yeah baby Exclamation

You wanna smell the BND cream, it smells like you spent a day playing in the morgue and the tub is huge. Its gonna last me about twenty years and it makes me smell bad

free skin care · Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:49 am

BND????? wossat then loops? If it smells that bad it must be goood for you!

free skin care · Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:10 am

Its for boobies and decolletage cos mines very wrinkled

free skin care · Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:14 pm

Gucci wrote:

I agree, argireline does work and is a fantastic product! I've had fantastic results!

I've also noticed the difference using Alpha Derma, all though the stuff makes little blisters on my moms skin, but she has really funky skin. But instead of her sending back her bottle, she is giving it to me

.

free skin care · Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:16 pm

Ian is right. Clinical trials have definitely shown Argireline to specifically reduce the severity of fine lines and wrinkles and professionals have also said that Argireline is the only topical ingredient that actually mimics the effects of Botox. Argireline isn't nearly the strength of Botox and doesn't reduce wrinkles to the same degree, but for people who don't want injections because of cost or inconvenience, Argireline is a very viable alternative.

A couple of generic quotes that I think are excellent are 1) from Longevity Journal:

When choosing a personal skincare tool that is designed to perform a specific function (such as firming skin in the eye area), Dr. Patricia Farris of Tulane University School of Medicine advises: “The active ingredient must be stabilized, delivered to the skin at a therapeutic concentration, and remain in the skin long enough to exert its biochemical effects. Only when these conditions are met can real benefits be seen” (American Academy of Dermatology 2002).

Argireline meets those specifications.

And, 2) from Lucire Living magazine in an article on Argireline:

How do you choose what's right for you? According to beauty advisers in the know, the best bet is to go for a formula that has the optimum concentration (around the 10 per cent mark) and look for other, more traditional wrinkle-fighting ingredients like antioxidants (Vitamins A, C, and E) in the mix, and few to no irritants like SD alcohol.

Specifics of the clinical trials on Argireline are :

Benefits of Argireline®

Argireline® is a breakthrough ingredient clinically shown to reduce the depth and appearance of wrinkles on the face and neck. Clinical tests of this amazing ingredient have had tremendous results:
17% reduction of wrinkles around the eyes - after only 15 days of use
27% reduction in the depth of wrinkles - after only 30 days of use
39% improvement in overall skin smoothness
42% improvement in dry skin
45% improvement in overall skin tone

These results of clinical trials are documented on the patent holder's website.

I checked out the website mentioned by the original poster marketing a cream with Matrixl, and once again, I agree with Ian. It's simply unnecessary to put down another ingredient to market yours. If your ingredients are good enough and have the documentation to back their claims, there is no reason to put down another ingredient.

I could go into a whole analysis of this website, but I really don't have time for it, so I'll just point out these things:

They quote Paula Begoune who says there are no clinical trials to prove Argireline's claims. We all know that isn't true, just from what I posted above.

Secondly, Paula says that using a product that does inhibit catecholamine release couldn't be specific and would tend to relax all the muscles of the face. This is untrue as well since one of the main benefits of peptides is that they can target specific reactions.

Paula also questions the safety of Argireline. The same clinical trials that proved the ingredient's effectiveness also showed it to be safe.

Another thing which makes this site suspect is that the story that is told about how they found this product is told in first person as if the actual site owners had this experience. I have seen this same story on other websites. Confused

When all is said and done, it's wonderful and we are very thankful that we do have clinical trials to prove Argireline's effectivness and safety, but the most important evaluations of all are the ones you read posted by EDS members who are using Argireline and having results.

Has it worked for everyone equally? No, and no product will since we are all so unique and each person may use a product differently.

Sorry to have made this so lengthy (aren't you glad I didn't go into a complete analysis. Laughing

)

I hope some of what Ian and I have posted here will be of some help and assurrance to you.

Oh, I think I need to say that by pointing out all this on Argireline and the website in question, I'm not putting down Matrixyl. I have read a lot about it, but don't know the specifics and have not used a product with that ingredient.

JUDY

free skin care · Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:44 pm

paula begoun isn't the author of the beauty bible either! I only just looked at the site now. I kinda thought it looked promising cos I love the matryxyl in SV, but all that crap about agiriline looks very suspect!
This looks a lot like some spam I got on PAL-KTTKS last year, but a bit more upmarket (as opposed to the carboot styl ads in the spam Mad

)

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