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Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:52 pm  |
| I got an amazing injection of botox last month.I am 55 ,I have few wrinkles thanks to PS...and high end skincare etc....but I had crows feet and this doc shot me and I swear I have no crows even when I am at full smile!I have had botox from other docs, but none have done as good a job as this doc. I got 20 units.Another thing .....WHY is it a lot of women say "Oh, I dont have crows feet,I dont need botox!" Ok. thats Bull! They are over 50 and believe me they have crows feet! I think a lot of people dont THINK they have it because when they look in the mirror they dont smile but if you smile and you are 40 or over ....trust me most of them are in denial.I think crows feet are the most aging wrinkle of all,there is no way to look young when you have crows feet.Botox is a miracle for crows feet I swear! |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:24 pm |
I think all this botox is taking away all the expression that makes people so endearing and enjoyable to look at.. Nobody has facial expression any more..
What is most unatural to me is people who are 50 plus, who have that smooth, transparent look, and go out of their way NOT to smile too heartily.. So obvious and sad.
I'm 59 and very proud of the crinkles at the corner of my eyes when in the throes of a full and hearty laugh.. I can't even imagine being so concerned about a little crinkle or 3, that I would resort to botox, to take away the expressions that make me, me.
On the other hand, I have no visible crows feet when relaxed, so I'm luckier than many at this age. But I see nothing wrong with growing older gracefully + naturally.. After all, fake is fake, and many threads here are happy to point out and pick apart, all the celebrities and what they are *having done*. I for one, am happy not to join those ranks..
Just my humble opinion and what's right for moi..  |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:00 pm |
| I dont get it in the forehead anymore because my wrinkles arent bad there and I have bangs and when someone has an egg smooth forehead you know everyone is thinking "botox!". If botox is done right you should not be completely frozen,you will just look younger.When I smile the ends of my eye do tighten up, there just arent a bunch of lines there. |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:22 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
| I think all this botox is taking away all the expression that makes people so endearing and enjoyable to look at.. Nobody has facial expression any more.. |
Watch some UK TV shows! UK actors seem to have far less work done than their US counterparts. I'm so used to seeing those "perfect" looking actors in US films, TV and magazines, that when I watch UK shows I'm always aware of their craggy faces and uneven teeth! I think we're all getting programmed towards accepting "perfection" as the norm! |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:26 pm |
| I can afford to do this botox thing but don't want to do it. Whats wrong with aging anyway? All this anti this and that drives to me crazy. I am 54 and don't mind my crows feet one bit...besides I use Elizabeth Grant, so I don't need anything else. |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:32 pm |
LOL!  I love the title of this thread. See, I could be one of those people over 40 who would say she doesn't have crows feet....until I smile! But hey! That doesn't count. 
Actually, I just looked in my mirror really close up and I do have faint crows feet! Without smiling! 
Dang it all lucyluc! Look what you made do! Bad girl. |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:34 pm |
| well, if I am given a choice "to have a wrinkle or not have a wrinkle-that is the question...I would rather not have a wrinkle". I think the English have more wrinkles because they are more fair skinned. |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:51 pm |
| SusieQ wrote: |
| I can afford to do this botox thing but don't want to do it. Whats wrong with aging anyway? All this anti this and that drives to me crazy. I am 54 and don't mind my crows feet one bit...besides I use Elizabeth Grant, so I don't need anything else. |
I would imagine that the majority of people on this Forum are all trying to do the best for their skin and stave off the inevitable. If some choose to take a more aggressive approach, what does it matter? Do what makes you feel good. We're not solving world hunger here. |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:56 pm |
| I told you LLucy! All you 40 yr olds who dont think you have crows feet look in the mirror and smile! See....you have got them...but botox can knock it out.If you are lucky it might even last 6 months, for 200 thats a deal! |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:23 pm |
Yeah I know what you mean Lucyluc, I've thought the same thing when people say they don't have crows feet. Many times I've felt like saying "Oh yes you do when you smile", but obviously I don't.
I also get botox there, nowhere else, as I hate crinkling there. And I don't want to be like those that Kassy's talking about that won't give a good laugh cos they're worried about their crinkles. It actually started for me at 31 and I've been getting botox there since then. The botox doesn't work as good as it used to anymore, but it clears it up a fair bit. Especially since I started using a new Dr who seems to have the placement better or something.
I agree that there's nothing wrong with ageing gracefully, but for me I'm much happier with botox. And anything else I may end up needing too, knives and all.  |
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Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:40 pm |
Yeah I just dont get it when people tell me they dont have crows feet and they are in their 50's!!!! I want to tell them"You have horrible crows feet and you need botox" but of course I would only say that after 3 martinis... BUT I DO tell my sisters(in their 50's no less) who say"I dont have crows feet, I just want botox in my forehead...I scream at them..yes you DO!!!!YOU have BAD crows feet and I am here to tell you the truth GET BOTOX!!!!  |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:40 am |
I don't think people should be made to feel bad just because they have crow's feet. Surely it's up to the individual?
As far as I'm concerned, if people want to have Botox, that's fine. But it's also fine if they don't want to or can't afford it.
It upsets me so much that we're now supposed to look perfect at any age. It fuels paranoia and feelings of inadequacy. No wonder so many people suffer from body dysmorphic disorder, and all of those airbrushed images of models and celebrities in magazines don't help either.
As far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't be so concerned with people's physical "flaws". I have no problem with people wanting to improve their looks, but please remember that the only true and lasting beauty is that which is on the inside.
| lucyluc wrote: |
| Yeah I just dont get it when people tell me they dont have crows feet and they are in their 50's!!!! I want to tell them"You have horrible crows feet and you need botox" but of course I would only say that after 3 martinis... BUT I DO tell my sisters(in their 50's no less) who say"I dont have crows feet, I just want botox in my forehead...I scream at them..yes you DO!!!!YOU have BAD crows feet and I am here to tell you the truth GET BOTOX!!!! |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:04 am |
| majorb wrote: |
I don't think people should be made to feel bad just because they have crow's feet. Surely it's up to the individual?
As far as I'm concerned, if people want to have Botox, that's fine. But it's also fine if they don't want to or can't afford it.
It upsets me so much that we're now supposed to look perfect at any age. It fuels paranoia and feelings of inadequacy. No wonder so many people suffer from body dysmorphic disorder, and all of those airbrushed images of models and celebrities in magazines don't help either.
As far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't be so concerned with people's physical "flaws". I have no problem with people wanting to improve their looks, but please remember that the only true and lasting beauty is that which is on the inside.
| lucyluc wrote: |
| Yeah I just dont get it when people tell me they dont have crows feet and they are in their 50's!!!! I want to tell them"You have horrible crows feet and you need botox" but of course I would only say that after 3 martinis... BUT I DO tell my sisters(in their 50's no less) who say"I dont have crows feet, I just want botox in my forehead...I scream at them..yes you DO!!!!YOU have BAD crows feet and I am here to tell you the truth GET BOTOX!!!! |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:08 am |
In defense of Botox I would say that it really is the only thing that actually gets rid of wrinkles - expensive creams and gadgets can't hold a candle to it. I also find that the people who are most critical of it have never actually tried it - those that do tend to get hooked. There is a misconception that Botox will lead to a completely frozen face - think Nicole Kidman. But in reality that doesn't happen - the average person is never given so much that their face is completely paralysed and they probably wouldn't be able to afford the upkeep even if they were.
However, after saying all of that - I also have to state that it's not crows feet and wrinkles that really worry me anyway. They do add character to a face. I think it's loss of facial fat and sagging that is far more aging. Now, if someone could come up with an injection that would instantly shrink my skin to make it fit my face - that is something that I would gladly fork out for. |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:39 am |
| There are viable solution for loss of facial fat.There is sculptra which will kick start your system to start building collagen and plumping up the sunken areas of your face without having to have a facelift. I have to say I have seen the most breathtaking results from sculptra.Then of course there are fat injections but it expensive and long recovery and may not last or you could get a bad result with lumps all over your face that never go away.Christie Brinkley is a good example of fat injections.The reason I talk about wrinkles a lot???Hello!!! This is a beauty board thats why we are here! To learn about 86ing our wrinkles! |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:43 am |
| Suffice it to say unless you see these stars in person or up close on TV you dont really know what they look like because photos get airbrushed all the time. I had a co-worker who saw Jane Fonda in person in 1977 and she said she had a lot of wrinkles back then! I saw Gloria Vanderbilt in person in 1973 and she looked super-old back then(I am sure she must be pushing up daisies by now) |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:57 am |
| lucyluc wrote: |
| .....WHY is it a lot of women say "Oh, I dont have crows feet,I dont need botox!" Ok. thats Bull! They are over 50 and believe me they have crows feet! I think a lot of people dont THINK they have it because when they look in the mirror they dont smile but if you smile and you are 40 or over ....trust me most of them are in denial. ..... |
I think wanting botox is individual.
If someone doesn't feel they have crows feet and they do then it obviously doesn't bother them so it shouldnt bother you.
Nothing wrong with having crows feet or not wanting botox. |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:59 am |
Lucyluc, I know that you've mentioned Sculptra before in other posts and I have done some research on it. What put me off was the huge number of negative reports on it on another site - maybe it was Makemeheal, I forget which site it was exactly. Lots of people said it gave them lumps and unevenness all over the face. Fat transfer is too expensive. I have had cheek fillers in the past, but they too are expensive and don't last.
However, as luck would have it, a nurse friend of mine from a local clinic rang me this morning and asked me to be a "model" for a new cheek filler that's on the market. It's manufactured by Allergan and is a thicker form of hyaluronic gel especially for the cheeks. So I'm the "guinea pig" - I'm having it done next Friday so wish me luck. I'll let you all know how it turns out. |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:05 am |
The smiling crows feet don't bother me as much as the deep furrows between my brows. They are more like two folds of skin. If I stretch the skin out, the lines underneath look like scars. When I'm not smiling, I look like I'm scowling. Is botox a treatment for this, or is there something else?
The reluctance I have about treatments like botox, fillers is that they don't last. I don't enough disposable income to shell out every 3 mos. to keep my face looking unlined. And if I did, I don't know how I'd get past my dislike of needles which borders on phobia. |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:31 am |
| LLucy wrote: |
The smiling crows feet don't bother me as much as the deep furrows between my brows. They are more like two folds of skin. If I stretch the skin out, the lines underneath look like scars. When I'm not smiling, I look like I'm scowling. Is botox a treatment for this, or is there something else?
The reluctance I have about treatments like botox, fillers is that they don't last. I don't enough disposable income to shell out every 3 mos. to keep my face looking unlined. And if I did, I don't know how I'd get past my dislike of needles which borders on phobia. |
I have deep furrows between my brows as well - even though I get Botox there, they never completely disappear, my muscles are very strong there apparently. I totally agree with you on the ongoing cost of Botox and fillers - once you start, it's a slippery slope - the cost is ridiculous. I've stopped going to the hairdressers and now cut and colour my own hair just so I can afford to get Botox every now and then.
You might be interested in the Safetox - it's a gadget that's supposed to numb the muscles in a similar way to Botox. I have it (of course!) and think it's great - although they recommend that older women will probably still need the Botox as well but it's supposed to make it last longer. Considering your fear of needles, this could be the gadget for you!
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=29913 |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:00 am |
| I second the use of the Safetox for the 11's and forehead issues. I don't that it does much for crows feet but it really opens up the face. I also find it helps my headaches and sinus issues. |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:39 am |
| BTW, I have no intention of aging gracefully. My days are spent in the bathroom mixing up all manner of mysterious DIY concoctions like some demented old witch and my nights are spent with a variety of skincare gadgets on hand spewing enough electrical current into my body to put my own personal hole in the ozone! |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:56 am |
| I agree.Aging in inevitable;accepting it is optional! |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:02 am |
| Yes there were problems with sculptra.Most of the problems are the drs., not the product.Doctors who havent learned the latest technique on injection. There is a newer method of injection that has a lot less complications and that is to inject deeply and to thin it out a lot so it is not so thick and does not lump.The key is to find a doc whose specialty is sculptra and is up on the latest techniques...I think Rebecca Fitzgerald in the LA area is one of them. |
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:05 am |
| lucyluc wrote: |
| The reason I talk about wrinkles a lot???Hello!!! This is a beauty board thats why we are here! To learn about 86ing our wrinkles! |
I have no problem with talking about wrinkles. I hate my own fine lines and would love to be rid of them!  But I think women should have the choice as to whether they go down the Botox (or other treatment) route and not feel they have to because people will judge them and tell them they look bad if they don't.
It should be their own choice - and some have no choice at all because they can't afford expensive treatments. That's why I would never tell someone that their crow's feet are bad and that they need Botox. There's too much pressure on women to look perfect as it is. |
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