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Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:00 am  |
Check this out:
http://www.famiacademy.com/
The closest thing to a natural volume loss restauration.
The fat cells contain a great number of mother cells that are injected in the facial muscles, enlarging its size to a youthful appereance to restore lost volumes. They grow as a consequence after the treatment is done in the next months, and the fat associated to young faces comes back. If the muscle is larger the deposit of fat becomes larger as well.
There is no risk of rejection from the body and it builds up the muscle tone. Lasts for about 10 years and it does not leave any scars.
I know this same system is used in Japan for breast enlargement and hands rejuvenation.
I think we are facing the future of surgery and implants...
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:05 am |
| I have absolutely no doubt that this type of procedure is the future of anti-aging - especially in the realm of growth hormones and stem cells. |
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:26 am |
I wonder how long before it will be available here in the US and what the cost would be.  |
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:06 pm |
This sounds similar to the plasma rejuvenation that you were talking about a while ago Keliu. Well similar.
I agree that they're onto something with this line of thinking. |
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Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:35 pm |
| Mishey wrote: |
This sounds similar to the plasma rejuvenation that you were talking about a while ago Keliu. Well similar.
I agree that they're onto something with this line of thinking. |
I does sound similar doesn't it. I'm still very interested in the plasma rejuvenation - but don't have the $$$ at the moment.  |
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:15 am |
| Do you have tried Atlean Filler treatment? |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:55 am |
This is not a new thing. It has been around for a while. A year or so ago I posted this in another forum.
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“Not long time ago I found accidentally that some scientist were already trying breast regrowth for patients that had a mastectomy.
I think I posted this in the forgotten thread...
Apparently stem cells extracted from fat have better body integration than the fat itself promoting the grow of new blood vessels to keep the tissue alive.
Even these articles are focused on breast augmentation or regrowth, the technique can be used for face, buttocks and virtually any other part of the body.
Anyway, today I have found few articles:
http://www.makemeheal.com/news/?p=63
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar....in_page_id=1965
The hospital were this technique is done in Japan by the Dr. Kotaro Yoshimura. Don't forget to check out the pics:
http://www.cellport.jp/english/
In the next page they say something that got my attention talking about fat in the face:
Dr. Pessa said the face resembles a three-dimensional puzzle, with fat divided into distinct units around the forehead, eyes, cheeks and mouth. Facial aging is, in part, characterized by how these separate compartments change as we grow older.
A youthful face is characterized by a smooth transition between these compartments. As people age, contour changes occur between these regions due to volume losses and gains as well as repositioning of the compartments. Eventually, this can result in sagging or hollowed skin and wrinkles.
Here is the link to the page:
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004459.html “ |
Fat transfer has been used for breast implants and hands rejuvenation. Fat transfer or fat grafting is the name for the previous technique using ONLY fat.
The problem arised when they realized the fat by itself tended to be reabsorbed by the body or die very fast as no blood vessels would supply the new fat tissue.
The innovation about this is the stem cells, wich are processed to have it maximum on every single shot they inject you along with the fat.
That solves the problem. Besides, Fami is specialized in injecting these stem cells and the fat directly into the facial muscles, making them to develop and enlarge naturally, as when one is younger. Muscle atrophy happens too as we age (if we do not exercise).
Said this, fat deposits got larger as well, you know the more muscle we have the more fatty we can storage too.
There is another good way -it's said- to get similar results processing your own blood to extract plasm rich in growth factors, used to treat a wide range of issues, physical and aesthetical.
I know Dr Amar, is teaching the FAMI technique to other practitioners, I think at the link posted above showed his training for other docs wanting to learn.
Pros and cons… Well... Not exactly cheap... At his site in spanish he mentions that if the muscle is sagging due to aging a lifting might be recommended along with the fat-stem cell injections... Not to mention the price: goes around 4000 to 6000€ (supposing it really lasts that much) divided by 10 years is about 6€ per day. For an instance doing a facial exercises is peanuts compared to this, and it might be cheaper for those using fillers every 3 months. It depends on what you have and what you want.
I guess it is a good technique for people suffering lypodistrophy (permanent loss of fat).
If this keeps evolving I am sure it will be replacing artificial fillers in the future.
Nothing like your own good fat (if you are lucky to have enough, though) |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:36 pm |
| Well hopefully the price will go down once alot of Drs are doing it. I'd love to see where the use of stem cells in antiaging will go from here. |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:08 am |
One more thing.
I have sent an email to the hosp. where they perform the Fami technique asking them more about the procedure and, according to their answer the stem cells are not only injected into the facial muscles but! into the facial bones as well, to recover volumes.
I haven't heard of any other technique injecting the bones. That is really WOW!
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:49 am |
Wow's right! This is sounding better all the time.
Thanks alot for letting us know about this Zenity. I can't wait till it's affordable.  |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:22 am |
| Zenity, do you know how the stem cells are harvested? |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:46 am |
| I did a very small amount of research on this, and it seems as though most of the U.S. training seminars were given in 2006 and 2007. I could not find many (any?) derms in California providing the treatment. So I'm wondering that it hasn't caught on. The idea of cell regeneration is intriguing but FAMI may not provide results any better than ordinary fat injections. |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:56 am |
Keliu
Not exactly... From what I have seen on youtube videos and on the site they extract fat from your abdomen or back of the knees (if I am not wrong), then they process the fat to get the richest and highest concentration of stem cells on it. I have no idea how this is done, but looks to me like they put the fat into one of those machines that centrifuges the fluids getting the solids at the bottom and the liquids on top.
Next they get the portion that contains the highest levels to inject it.
Hope this helps |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:58 am |
Hermosa
You might be right, as I do not know personally anyone who has had this done on the face.
However I suspect that results might be much better due to the use of stem cells, not only fat.
As they are not only fillers but actual agents to stimulate natural growth or your own tissues.
Just MHO
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Mishey You are always very welcome hun!  |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:06 pm |
| The site hasn't been updated in almost 4 years, and the last paper he published (according to the site) was 10 years ago. I don't get it. If this technique is as phenomenal as it appears, why hasn't it taken off? It's not the expense. |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:54 pm |
Good point. I didn't look at how old was the last update.
However, as how I see it, I got quite curious and surprised about 2 years ago after finding out about stem cells transfers to grow breast tissue on women who had suffered a mastectomy.
That made me want to know more and periodically I google the subject to find out what is going on in this field.
But none is saying is "that fabulous"... under my point of view is quite promising, and I honestly think the future will go in that direction.
Personally, I have only watched a video a friend of mine sent me after she had breast and hands done in Japan. she looked great and natural. But nothing like a super-wow!
I mean her boobs were not Pamela's at all.
Also this is not the only surgeon or technique specialized in fat stem cells to rejuvenate. There are many others out there and different procedures performed. I believe this will evolve to a much, much better future. But time will say.
Just wanted to "share" with you all not to "sell" this to any of you. |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:44 am |
| Zenity wrote: |
| I have no idea how this is done, but looks to me like they put the fat into one of those machines that centrifuges the fluids getting the solids at the bottom and the liquids on top. |
This does indeed sound very similar to the platelet-rich plasma rejuvenation procedure in which blood is taken from the arm, mixed with the PRP in a centrifuge machine and then injected back into the face.
In all the research that I've done on fat transfer it seems that the outcome is pretty unreliable. Sometimes the fat doesn't take, sometimes it gets absorbed back into the body very quickly. Therefore, it has now become more common for surgeons to use hyaluronic based fillers rather than fat. I wonder if this fact has any bearing on the Fami technique? |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:22 am |
| Well, as the technology is already here let's keep an eye on this subject. I am sure there has to be a lot more to come and much better and affordable. |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:58 pm |
| This is still a very very expensive procedure with marginal results many times. No matter how these clowns try to sell you on the techniques of fat grafting, fami, fat injections...whatever its STILL an f---ing crapshoot!You might have one good result and then 20 no results or bad results. Its the technique of the dr but also the persons own metabolism...many people will simply burn it up.Fami is still a very iffy procedure and I was quoted $30,000 for it and of course no guarantee...give me a break!I have seen people so disfigured by fat grafting by "experts" they looked like extras in a monster horror movie...no kidding.It will be a long time before this is perfected. |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:01 pm |
| Fami was started by a plastic surgeon from Europe...because he gave it a "title" doesnt mean it works....I believe he was also teaching his technique to other docs for a huge fee. I have not heard anything good about it...and I would have since I am always on the plastic surgery boards. |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:05 pm |
| lucyluc wrote: |
| This is still a very very expensive procedure with marginal results many times. No matter how these clowns try to sell you on the techniques of fat grafting, fami, fat injections...whatever its STILL an f---ing crapshoot!You might have one good result and then 20 no results or bad results. Its the technique of the dr but also the persons own metabolism...many people will simply burn it up.Fami is still a very iffy procedure and I was quoted $30,000 for it and of course no guarantee...give me a break!I have seen people so disfigured by fat grafting by "experts" they looked like extras in a monster horror movie...no kidding.It will be a long time before this is perfected. |
Lucy I'm wondering if they were going to inject the stem cells into your facial bones aswell when you got your quote? Has there been discussions about that side of it on the PS boards you frequent?
Thanks. |
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:57 am |
| Mishey wrote: |
Lucy I'm wondering if they were going to inject the stem cells into your facial bones aswell when you got your quote? Has there been discussions about that side of it on the PS boards you frequent?
Thanks. |
And in addition to that, have you read anything about platelet-rich plasma rejuvenation? |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:59 pm |
lucyluc
Whaaaat???? 30.000 USD????
Oh my!
Did you get an actual quotation for the Fami thing or just fat grafting?
Do you personally (or at the forums you are) know about anyone having this procedure done?
I would like to know more about from actual users, not from the Drs. "selling" this type of procedures.
If you are willing to share I am all ears! |
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