Beware of plastic bottle mouth!
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free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:13 am

I saw an HBO special Youth Know No Pain produced by the daughter of plastic surgeon and she mentioned plastic bottle mouth...thought I'd share this CRUCIAL INFO. I copied this online:

According to dermatologists, droves of women visit their doctors, perplexed by the lines and wrinkles around their lips. It's the state of SA-called "smoker" lips; because of similar model wrinkles found around the lips of heavy smokers.

Naturally, many of these women (and men) haven't smoked a day of their lives. They've just drinking bottled water. Here 's the strip: When you drink a bottle of water, you do the same face you when you' re smoking a cigarette - a movement suction with your mouth. Over time, this creates wrinkles and significant lines around the mouth.

In short, if you drink a bottle of water with a sport/above straw or a beak, evenly throughout the day, you begin to develop lip apparent smoking in about 2 years.

OMGOSH I'm going to start using my stainless steel bottle that has a much larger mouth, no more suction lips for me!

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:35 am

Hi Secretly, Yes, I read something like this on the QVC BB about two months ago, from a non-smoker who was noticing lip lines and figured out that they were coming from her water bottle. I gave up drinking out of my water bottle (using a cup now) and gave up sipping out of my staws as well. It's hard, but I figure it sould be worth it.

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:35 am

Yes, drinking from straws daily will do this also.

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:00 pm

Gosh it never occurred to me, so glad I found out now though......!!!!! I'm going to educate all my friends too.

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:08 pm

Thank you for the straw warning. I've been sipping my smoothies!!

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:52 pm

thanks for the information. I also switched to a wide mouth stainless steel bottle to use at work.

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:37 pm

That's right.
Right now I nearly do not use plastic bottle or plastic bag to take water or food. The plastic container is really horrible, no matter they take cool or hot food, we will eat the decompose of the plastic more or less.

free skin care · Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:37 am

WOW that had never even crossed my mind, and I am so smug that I dont smoke and think of all those smokers with lines....

Thank you for that. Very interesting.

free skin care · Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:11 am

This is awakening! Will make conscious effort to avoid this from now on.

free skin care · Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:07 am

This is surprising, but it seems make sense. Useful information, indeed. I would like to use a big mouth tea cup in the future.

Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:51 pm

I use a wide-mouth water bottle at work and at home but I bought them because they were pink (and hence made the water seem somehow more appealing since I'm not much of a plain water fan). At least I know now that there was a better basis for that decision than colour Smile

Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:50 am

I'm a smoker and never knew that! Shock

Been smoking for 10+ years but I have no wrinkles around my lips...hopefully there's a way to keep smoking without the dreadful thought of wrinkles forming everytime I take a puff. Confused

Thanks for the info.

free skin care · Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:15 pm

Thanks for posting this! I never thought something that you would think is harmless can actually cause wrinkles.

After I read this post I've been pouring my water into a paper cup. My boyfriend asked me why and I replied "because it causes wrinkles". He thinks I'm absolutely nuts! Oh well, what we don't do for beauty. Laughing

free skin care · Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:08 am

Alyssa617 wrote:

I'm a smoker and never knew that! Shock

Been smoking for 10+ years but I have no wrinkles around my lips...hopefully there's a way to keep smoking without the dreadful thought of wrinkles forming everytime I take a puff. Confused

Thanks for the info.

I think there is more to it than just the pursing of the lips. There are some smokers who never get those lines. Wondering if it has to do with the thickness/thinness of the skin in that area (thinner skin being more prone to the wrinkles). I am a smoker too, and I do have those horrible lines and they are one of the hardest things to try and deal with.

free skin care · Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:41 pm

rileygirl wrote:

Alyssa617 wrote:

I'm a smoker and never knew that! Shock

Been smoking for 10+ years but I have no wrinkles around my lips...hopefully there's a way to keep smoking without the dreadful thought of wrinkles forming everytime I take a puff. Confused

Thanks for the info.

I think there is more to it than just the pursing of the lips. There are some smokers who never get those lines. Wondering if it has to do with the thickness/thinness of the skin in that area (thinner skin being more prone to the wrinkles). I am a smoker too, and I do have those horrible lines and they are one of the hardest things to try and deal with.

I agree Riley ... I seriously doubt lip lines are related solely to pursing the mouth over time (although it probably doesn't help!) There isn't a lot of scientific study on lip lines, but one thing is clear ... it affects women far more often (and far sooner) than men. I think it is partly related to genetics, aging, sun exposure (all the usual things), but I still think it has more to do with being female (akin thickness and estrogen levels may have some part in lip lines). Just my opinion and yes, I fight them too!

free skin care · Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:54 pm

Lacy53 wrote:

There isn't a lot of scientific study on lip lines, but one thing is clear ... it affects women far more often (and far sooner) than men. I think it is partly related to genetics, aging, sun exposure (all the usual things), but I still think it has more to do with being female (akin thickness and estrogen levels may have some part in lip lines). Just my opinion and yes, I fight them too!

I agree with you! You know, I think it is very interesting that a lot of us have this problem, yet hardly any scientific studies have been done for this. I sure wish some studies would come out on this problem!

free skin care · Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:15 pm

I agree, too. I think it's 80% hormonal related. And I think also it's related to the lips losing volume as you grow old. If the LED-green tea treatment doesn't work for me, I'm thinking about going on hormones simply for anti-aging purposes. I couldn't believe the change (for the better) in my sister's face when she finally started taking hormones.

free skin care · Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:23 pm

Def some of it is genetic, my grandma had 2 lines that were very pronounced, the kind that you can't help zeroing in on while you're talking to the person....Lo and behold I was getting the EXACT same set of lines!!!!!

I got a phenol peel on my upper lip for the lines, I had no idea that could be done. While I still don't have perfect skin because I've had acne I don't have the lip lines anymore and that's heavenly. Also I need another month or so for the redness to even out on my skin.

Smoking decreases the circulation to your smallest vessels, so those are the ones that die off first, it's also very toxic to your cells (same with sugar really toxic) both sugar and nicotine cause inflammation. So many reasons to quit but I smoked for years so not pointing fingers. Just saying quitting was one of the best (and hardest) things I've ever done.

free skin care · Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:17 pm

Skippie wrote:

I agree, too. I think it's 80% hormonal related. And I think also it's related to the lips losing volume as you grow old. If the LED-green tea treatment doesn't work for me, I'm thinking about going on hormones simply for anti-aging purposes. I couldn't believe the change (for the better) in my sister's face when she finally started taking hormones.

The issue with taking hormone replacement therapy relates to the fact that the effects are systemic (they occur throughout the whole body) and not all effects are positive. For that reason, doctors are generally hesitant to prescribe hormones solely for "superficial" reasons such as skin appearance, including wrinkles. I am just stating what I know, not judging your decision/choice.

You may want to look at a book I found by Mark P, Brincat, PhD entitled "Hormone Replacement Therapy and the Skin" published in 2001 (so it's somewhat current). Excerpts are available through google books if you do a search online. It appears that estrogen receptors are most definitely prominent in the skin (and obviously more concentrated in certain areas of the female body). I personally think estrogen plays a part, but I have also seen scientific studies that say estrogen does not reduce wrinkles and lines. I prefer the conclusion of Brincat and his ten colleagues, most of whom are doctors in the field of Obstetrics/Gynaecology and practice in various locations around the world.

Probably the most researched topical ingredient for lines and wrinkles is tretinoin, available in Retin-A; the only problem with lip-lines is instructions specifically state not to use tretinoin on or near the lips so it's not a treatment option for this problem.

free skin care · Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:47 pm

Lacy53 wrote:

Probably the most researched topical ingredient for lines and wrinkles is tretinoin, available in Retin-A; the only problem with lip-lines is instructions specifically state not to use tretinoin on or near the lips so it's not a treatment option for this problem.

I used the Retin A while on Obagi, and this is the one area I really focused on. I have to say that my lines were diminishing. I did not stay on the Retin A (or maintenance with Nu Derm), and now after 6 months of no RA use my lines are worse. I am going back on RA and will be using it in this area.

free skin care · Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:34 pm

Thanks for the book recommendation, Lacy53. Sounds like an interesting read. I don't think I would actually ever take hormones just to get rid of my wrinkles.

What's odd about my upper lip skin is that it's much lighter in color than the rest of my face.

free skin care · Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:51 am

My ONLY motivation for quiting smoking a number of years ago, WAS VANITY! I have the dreaded lip lines, have been on bio-identical hormones for 5 yrs, have used Retin A (Tazorac) on my upper lip area for 20+ yrs, wear sunscreen religiously, use my Lightstim there and Dermaroll the hell out of that area, and I can sadly report: I STILL HAVE THEM! Brick wall

Maybe they would be worse if I hadn't been doing all that stuff...but that is little comfort when I look in the mirror.

free skin care · Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:27 am

mountaingirl wrote:

My ONLY motivation for quiting smoking a number of years ago, WAS VANITY! I have the dreaded lip lines, have been on bio-identical hormones for 5 yrs, have used Retin A (Tazorac) on my upper lip area for 20+ yrs, wear sunscreen religiously, use my Lightstim there and Dermaroll the hell out of that area, and I can sadly report: I STILL HAVE THEM! Brick wall

Maybe they would be worse if I hadn't been doing all that stuff...but that is little comfort when I look in the mirror.

Oh no, mountaingirl. After all that, and you still have them? (I do think they would be worse if you had not been doing all that, as mine are bad now without the Retin A, but it could be totally individual.) Have you done any peels in that area? I am wondering if some stronger peels in the area may help.

free skin care · Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:28 am

Skippie wrote:

What's odd about my upper lip skin is that it's much lighter in color than the rest of my face.

Skippie, have you done anything differently in that area that would cause the lighter color? My area actually gets darker than the rest of my face!

free skin care · Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:13 am

Rileygirl...I have not done peels in that area, because the lines are not superficial... so to get any real benefit, it would involve a deep chemical peel or laser, and I am not a candidate for that for a couple of reasons. For on thing, I am a keloid former and most PS's wouldn't touch me...and also, I feel like in the long run, deep peels thin your skin out, and mine is thin enough. Rolling Eyes

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