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Muirne
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:00 pm  |
Hello all you wonderful forum folks, I hope your day has been a good one thusfar!
I've been reading these forums and digesting all the information for a month or so now. I was wondering if anyone could direct me either to an already existing thread or give me some product ideas for a good vitamin c skin (face) product for day time use? I know there are a number of them out there but I would like to try to narrow down some options. I'm currently 33 years old with fair complexion, I have just a touch of acne depending on the time of month and weather changes and combination skin (primarily just a touch oily in the t-zone area). Currently I use a moisturizer during the day with spf and in the evenings I use a cream that has 1% retinol in it. Oh and my skin can be somewhat sensitive but not overly.
I have considered making up some of the vitamin c serum's suggested in the diy section but I haven't worked up enough courage as of yet.
Any suggestions or help would be appreciated!
Thank you,
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:04 pm |
Hello and Welcome Muirne!,
I love Skinceuticals CE Ferulic. If you're oily I think the Skinceuticals Phloretin is supposed to be good too. When looking for a Vitamin C product look for one that has l-ascorbic acid in the ingredients. |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:07 pm |
Hi Muirne
Personally I love skinceuticals C E Ferlic, however I have read on here that it can cause breakouts, so Im not sure if this would suit you or not. Skinceuticals also have which I have just started to use a vitamin c with phorelic (?) I dont find this adorbs quicker and isnt as shall I say oily as the Ferlic, even though I love it.
Maybe if you do a search for skinceuticals you will be able to determine if you think either may suit your skin.
HTHS:) |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:10 pm |
Oh you beat me to the post Jom 
FYI Jom has spelt Phloretin the correct way, so thats the product I was talking about in my post. 
Yes and welcome to the forum Muirne! |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:44 pm |
| jom wrote: |
Hello and Welcome Muirne!,
I love Skinceuticals CE Ferulic. If you're oily I think the Skinceuticals Phloretin is supposed to be good too. When looking for a Vitamin C product look for one that has l-ascorbic acid in the ingredients. |
Another vote for the Skinceuticals product (it's considered the original product as I understand it - or the the originator of C research is responsible for the product - something like that).
I make my own for cost reasons but I highly recommend SC CE Ferulic. |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:40 pm |
| Another vote for the skinceuticals C, E, Ferulic! |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:57 pm |
| Another option if you want something more economical is Cellular Skin Rx vit. C serum. It seems to have good reviews. |
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Muirne
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:52 am |
| Wow after looking at the price tag for the Skinceuticals I can really understand why people make their own vit c serums! The Cellular Skin product seems like it might be more around my price range. Thank you all for your replies, I appreciate it. =) |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:37 am |
| Muirne, Do try the Cellularskin-rx. I've used it for years now, and though I have from time to time strayed, I keep coming back to it for its combination of price, high stability, and high effectiveness for my skin. |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:20 am |
Everyone always raves about the Skinceuticals CE Ferulic...I have yet to try it. Does anyone know what PH it is?
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:23 am |
But to answer the OP's question, I currently use Obagi Professional C Serum (10%). It's a very stable formulation (never seen it turn yellow) and really brightens up the complexion.
I did try making my own but was concerned about the stability and whether the concentration/PH was correct.
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:35 am |
| Muirne wrote: |
| Wow after looking at the price tag for the Skinceuticals I can really understand why people make their own vit c serums! The Cellular Skin product seems like it might be more around my price range. Thank you all for your replies, I appreciate it. =) |
A vit. C serum is something I don't think you should have to pay an arm & a leg for IMHO.
Muirne, you could also add the ferulic acid from PSF which is only about $5 to cellularskin-ex serum if you wanted to. |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:41 am |
| I am also using the one from Cellular Skin Rx. It works well and IMO is very stable. But I did experience some dryness when I first started to use it - not sure if caused by Vit. C. |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:58 am |
| Dee28 wrote: |
Everyone always raves about the Skinceuticals CE Ferulic...I have yet to try it. Does anyone know what PH it is?
Dee |
I'm not sure what the pH is, Dee. It does not say on their website. I tried the Obagi C and it turned yellow on me!! If you like the Obagi, you might not like the SC, as I feel like the SC is more "oily" than the Obagi C (sorry not quite sure what word to use there, and oily is all I could come up with!). |
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Muirne
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:11 am |
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| Muirne wrote: |
| Wow after looking at the price tag for the Skinceuticals I can really understand why people make their own vit c serums! The Cellular Skin product seems like it might be more around my price range. Thank you all for your replies, I appreciate it. =) |
A vit. C serum is something I don't think you should have to pay an arm & a leg for IMHO.
Muirne, you could also add the ferulic acid from PSF which is only about $5 to cellularskin-ex serum if you wanted to. |
I think that's one reason why I'm afraid to do the diy serums, that I would create something that wouldn't be stable and would be doing absolutely nothing for my skin.
Brierrose, I'm experiencing a 'duh' moment, what does PSF stand for and is there a chance that adding the ferulic acid to the mix would tamper with the stability of the serum itself?
Thanks! |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:18 pm |
Sorry Muirne PSF is Pure Skin Formulations which you can get here at EDS.
I'm quite sure ferulic acid makes the vit. C more stable but somebody please chime in here & verify if this is really true.
I'm also leary about diy vit.c serum for stability reasons. Maybe somebody could address this issue & give us some confidence to try diy. |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:27 pm |
| Muirne wrote: |
I think that's one reason why I'm afraid to do the diy serums, that I would create something that wouldn't be stable and would be doing absolutely nothing for my skin.
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Well, C serum is one absolutely easiest DIY. I am considering myself as completely two-left-handed person, but my serum was excellent at the first attempt. I use it every morning with a big proud. 
It is really hard to go wrong with that, but if you do, you could always pour it in the sink and go again because all this fun is so cheap. |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:49 pm |
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| Dee28 wrote: |
Everyone always raves about the Skinceuticals CE Ferulic...I have yet to try it. Does anyone know what PH it is?
Dee |
I'm not sure what the pH is, Dee. It does not say on their website. I tried the Obagi C and it turned yellow on me!! If you like the Obagi, you might not like the SC, as I feel like the SC is more "oily" than the Obagi C (sorry not quite sure what word to use there, and oily is all I could come up with!). |
Hi all. The pH of the Skinceuticals CE Ferulic acid is 2.3. Don't ask me how I know, but I am 100% sure that I read it somewhere. I remember someone saying how it is very acidic. That is why you should apply it onto dry skin and wait at least 15 minutes so as to not neutralize the acidity, which would compromise efficacy.
Rileygirl, that is too bad about the Obagi C serum. What Obagi C product did you try out?
I understand what you mean by oily. I think some C serums are "thicker" than others, which are more watery. I think it has to do with the amount of propylene glycol and water in them. |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:13 pm |
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Hi all. The pH of the Skinceuticals CE Ferulic acid is 2.3. Don't ask me how I know, but I am 100% sure that I read it somewhere. I remember someone saying how it is very acidic. That is why you should apply it onto dry skin and wait at least 15 minutes so as to not neutralize the acidity, which would compromise efficacy.
Rileygirl, that is too bad about the Obagi C serum. What Obagi C product did you try out?
I understand what you mean by oily. I think some C serums are "thicker" than others, which are more watery. I think it has to do with the amount of propylene glycol and water in them. |
Hi, ammonavis! Thanks for the info on the pH of SC.
I tried the Obagi Professional C, 20%. I had it maybe 1 month and it turned dark! |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:25 pm |
| You know, I often wonder if it is really the ascorbic acid in C serums that gives people the great results, or if it is actually the acidity. I read somewhere once that by even just applying low level acids on the face, you will stimulate collagen production. On this skin care board, we know a lot more than your average person in regards to stability of C serums. Most people don't know about this, yet get good enough results. I also read that any acid will cause a certain amount of exfoliation of the skin, which will help with brown spots. So could it be that even by applying an oxidized serum, one will get some results? Although it may be doing damage on some level, it may also be causing some exfoliation at least. What i'm trying to say, is that I am not 100% convinced about C serums yet. They are so unstable. I would be interested in seeing some kind of published study on the efficacy of C serums over time, in order to see if they remain effective months after you open them. I have heard a lot of contradictory info about this, ranging from, the second you open them, they lose all effectiveness, to, they remain effective for up to a year. |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:31 pm |
| amonavis wrote: |
| You know, I often wonder if it is really the ascorbic acid in C serums that gives people the great results, or if it is actually the acidity. I read somewhere once that by even just applying low level acids on the face, you will stimulate collagen production. On this skin care board, we know a lot more than your average person in regards to stability of C serums. Most people don't know about this, yet get good enough results. I also read that any acid will cause a certain amount of exfoliation of the skin, which will help with brown spots. So could it be that even by applying an oxidized serum, one will get some results? Although it may be doing damage on some level, it may also be causing some exfoliation at least. What i'm trying to say, is that I am not 100% convinced about C serums yet. They are so unstable. I would be interested in seeing some kind of published study on the efficacy of C serums over time, in order to see if they remain effective months after you open them. I have heard a lot of contradictory info about this, ranging from, the second you open them, they lose all effectiveness, to, they remain effective for up to a year. |
That's an excellent question, ammonavis. I do know that low level glycolic acid was all the rage a few years ago due to the fact that it had been shown to stimulate the collagen. I actually am not totally convinced about C serums any longer myself. For me, this is due to the fact that no long term studies have been done with the C serums. Also the fact that it has been reported that C may actually decrease elastin makes me a little uncomfortable. I think it is better for the skin to have a lot of different antioxidants and not just 1 type. |
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Muirne
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:43 am |
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That's an excellent question, ammonavis. I do know that low level glycolic acid was all the rage a few years ago due to the fact that it had been shown to stimulate the collagen. I actually am not totally convinced about C serums any longer myself. For me, this is due to the fact that no long term studies have been done with the C serums. Also the fact that it has been reported that C may actually decrease elastin makes me a little uncomfortable. I think it is better for the skin to have a lot of different antioxidants and not just 1 type. |
If you don't mind, what sort of combination do you you use, Rileygirl? I have a friend who teases me that I'm going to wake up one day with a green face due to all the 'experimenting' of different products. lol
Thanks! |
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:46 am |
| Muirne wrote: |
If you don't mind, what sort of combination do you you use, Rileygirl? I have a friend who teases me that I'm going to wake up one day with a green face due to all the 'experimenting' of different products. lol
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LOL! I always get accused that I am going to burn my face off!
Right now I am using the Osmosis Replenish in the morning. Here are the ingredients in the Replenish:
Ingredients: Astaxanthin Superoxide Dismutase L-gluththione Catalase Spin Trap GHK-Copper Peptides Ginkgo Biloba Extract Niacinamide Trans-Resveratrol R Lipoic Acide Curcumin Chlorella Vulgaris Extract 1,3D Beta Glucan Oleanolic Acid Green Tree Extract L-Lactic Acid Grape Seed Extract Phosphatidylcholine |
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:57 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| amonavis wrote: |
| You know, I often wonder if it is really the ascorbic acid in C serums that gives people the great results, or if it is actually the acidity. I read somewhere once that by even just applying low level acids on the face, you will stimulate collagen production. On this skin care board, we know a lot more than your average person in regards to stability of C serums. Most people don't know about this, yet get good enough results. I also read that any acid will cause a certain amount of exfoliation of the skin, which will help with brown spots. So could it be that even by applying an oxidized serum, one will get some results? Although it may be doing damage on some level, it may also be causing some exfoliation at least. What i'm trying to say, is that I am not 100% convinced about C serums yet. They are so unstable. I would be interested in seeing some kind of published study on the efficacy of C serums over time, in order to see if they remain effective months after you open them. I have heard a lot of contradictory info about this, ranging from, the second you open them, they lose all effectiveness, to, they remain effective for up to a year. |
That's an excellent question, ammonavis. I do know that low level glycolic acid was all the rage a few years ago due to the fact that it had been shown to stimulate the collagen. I actually am not totally convinced about C serums any longer myself. For me, this is due to the fact that no long term studies have been done with the C serums. Also the fact that it has been reported that C may actually decrease elastin makes me a little uncomfortable. I think it is better for the skin to have a lot of different antioxidants and not just 1 type. |
I agree with combining antioxidants. That is what I have been doing recently with good results. My skin now looks better than it did a year ago. I have been using Topix Replenix serum (it has green tea polyphenols and caffeine, as well as anti inflammatories) as well as this new neutrogena product called ageless restoratives night cream which contains a form of vitamin E, as well as soy and feverfew which is proving to be a very potent antioxidant as well, maybe even better than green tea and vitamin E. I heard that green tea and vitamin E work together to renew each other too. Anyways, its working out for me, in combination with a generous portion of Tazorac. Tazorac has really plumped up my skin and gotten rid of a few wrinkles i was starting to get, as well as shrunk my pores down to a level where I am no longer self conscious about them. |
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:35 pm |
| amonavis wrote: |
| I agree with combining antioxidants. That is what I have been doing recently with good results. My skin now looks better than it did a year ago. I have been using Topix Replenix serum (it has green tea polyphenols and caffeine, as well as anti inflammatories) as well as this new neutrogena product called ageless restoratives night cream which contains a form of vitamin E, as well as soy and feverfew which is proving to be a very potent antioxidant as well, maybe even better than green tea and vitamin E. I heard that green tea and vitamin E work together to renew each other too. Anyways, its working out for me, in combination with a generous portion of Tazorac. Tazorac has really plumped up my skin and gotten rid of a few wrinkles i was starting to get, as well as shrunk my pores down to a level where I am no longer self conscious about them. |
I have always been interested in the Replenix, but I always seem to forget about it! Sounds like you have hit upon a great combo.
One question, I thought I read something about soy not being good for the skin (I could be thinking hormones here!). Do you know anything about that? |
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