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Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:02 pm  |
I have not visited EDS for long time, after trying so many Western methods on anti-aging, I have switched to learn traditional Chinese medicine and food therapy on anti-aging and it works wonderful!
I read tons of books, but I am still a beginner and hope can share more tips with you in near future. |
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Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:11 pm |
| critic, - What are the food therapies you have tried? |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:33 am |
| So much of Chinese medicine seems to be based on cruelty. For me, if it involves taking things that belong to animals, such as rhinoceroses' horns or tigers' penises or frogs' uteruses or birds' nests, as mentioned in another post, I would prefer to refrain. |
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"I know that only time will heal my broken heart, just as only time will heal his broken arms and legs.” --Miss Piggy |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:23 pm |
I also feel the incredible effect of chinese medicine on the health and beauty of my face as well as the health and well-being of my body..since I do believe that our internal organs and the quality of the energy, or Chi, that flows through them is intimately related to our external looks, ie. quality and firmness of our facial tissues, etc.
i've beena vegan for 39 years, and simply let my practitioner know not to use any animal parts in my herbal remedies |
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71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:38 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| critic, - What are the food therapies you have tried? |
I am interested, too, as well as in the Chinese medicine you use for anti-aging? |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:00 pm |
| Justine1900 wrote: |
| So much of Chinese medicine seems to be based on cruelty. For me, if it involves taking things that belong to animals, such as rhinoceroses' horns or tigers' penises or frogs' uteruses or birds' nests, as mentioned in another post, I would prefer to refrain. |
Justine I completely agree.
Endangered species are are being poached to extinction, and Chinese medicine has alot to do with it. It's sickening. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:12 am |
| I'd just like to point out that most Chinese medicine does not, in fact, rely upon animal parts, endangered or otherwise, but is primarily plant-based. That's not to say that Chinese medicine completely excludes the use of animals, but I believe that it would be an overstatement to say that animals form the basis of traditional Chinese medicine remedies and is a view predicated on Western misconceptions. (In fact, I would argue that Western cosmetic companies probably rely more on animal parts than Chinese medicine does, eg. dyes derived from insects, animal testing, etc.) It's tempting to let the most striking characteristics about things of which there is little generally known about to stick out in one's mind. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:27 am |
| jeanleemarquis wrote: |
| I'd just like to point out that most Chinese medicine does not, in fact, rely upon animal parts, endangered or otherwise, but is primarily plant-based. That's not to say that Chinese medicine completely excludes the use of animals, but I believe that it would be an overstatement to say that animals form the basis of traditional Chinese medicine remedies and is a view predicated on Western misconceptions. (In fact, I would argue that Western cosmetic companies probably rely more on animal parts than Chinese medicine does, eg. dyes derived from insects, animal testing, etc.) It's tempting to let the most striking characteristics about things of which there is little generally known about to stick out in one's mind. |
You are new here. I was referring to another post on the forum where someone had said she used products made with frogs' uteruses and birds' nests as part of her skincare regime. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:35 am |
Oh, pardon me, it was actually frogs' FALLOPIAN TUBES that were under discussion.
| starxiao wrote: |
I'm eating wood frog’s fallopian tube together with pawpaw and milk, it does good to your facial skin and also your breast
and the price is much lower than the swallow's nest, which means most people can afford it |
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=34384&highlight=birds+nest |
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"I know that only time will heal my broken heart, just as only time will heal his broken arms and legs.” --Miss Piggy |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:13 pm |
Traditional Chinese Medicine is made up of many different aspects. ONE of them is food. ONE part of food therapy uses some animal products like bird's nest. Some say some endangered animal parts are beneficial but this only a tiny part of TCM which is rather old-fashioned/ not so widely followed now.
Please don't write off TCM with sweeping inaccurate statements.
Also I agree that Western skincare products often have some animal ingredients. Collagen in skincare is mostly derived from cattle and what about stem cells etc.
If you eat meat/ animal products you are probably on the same level as the person eating wood frog tubes?/ bird's nest. If the meat you eat is beef, lamb etc etc you're prob worse as these animals are farmed in unsustainable numbers and destroy the environment too.
ed. why doesn't the underline/ italic thingy work? |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:19 pm |
| TTD wrote: |
| If you eat meat/ animal products you are probably on the same level as the person eating wood frog tubes?/ bird's nest. If the meat you eat is beef, lamb etc etc you're prob worse as these animals are farmed in unsustainable numbers and destroy the environment too. |
I don't eat meat, actually. But there is a difference between killing animals to survive and killing them for beauty treatments. As for collagen and leather products, they are by-products of the food industry; they are not in the same category as fur or beauty treatments in TCM. |
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"I know that only time will heal my broken heart, just as only time will heal his broken arms and legs.” --Miss Piggy |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:45 pm |
I Agree killing something just for beauty is not good.
You don't need meat to survive. I guess you would know that as you don't eat it but nobody else does either. Alternative sources can be found for everyone. Animal food products are not needed either. Killing just because something is tasty is as bad as doing it for beauty.
How do you class stuff like dairy? Maybe it is both a by-product and a "primary" product? Dairy is argued to be crueler than the meat industry.
I think by-products are still a problematic ethical situation, it's still taking part in something that wasn't good somewhere down the line.
I protest at the sweeping condemnation you made on TCM linking it to endangered animals, when this is only a small (and getting smaller) part of it. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:58 pm |
I am Chinese. Eating endanger animal.... it seems most non-Chinese people have believed that Chinese are very cruel.
Let me share what I have done : Obagi, Roller, LED, Facial exercise bu Loulou, Vitamin and supplement.
Chinese food therapy are usually made according to the person's individual condition in relation to TCM theory. The "five flavors" indicate what function various types of food play in the body. In the past, I follow the westerner diet and eat lots of lots of vegetables. Eating vegetables is good but you first have to find out your body condition, my body is actually too cold (most women are cold) and should eat meat, plus selected vegetables (most veggies are OK, but some squash and vegetables are no good for women).
This is what I am eating:
1. Breakfast : black rice porridge (recipe can be provided if anyone is interested)
2. Special pudding : one teaspoon in the morning, one teaspoon before bed-time. (The pudding is made by black sesames, walnut, Chinese red dates, rock sugar, deer skin and wine)
Exercise:
walking with your knees, 15 mins a day. This is an amazing exercise for blood circulation and reduce fat around your fat legs.
Facial exercise:
Use your 10 fingers to gently hit all over your face and head(not massage, but not beat)
There are a list of food and you should avoid:
Watermelon, banana and sugar cane (too cold for the body)
I will share more when I have time. Do the above work? YES YES YES
The theory of the facial exercise is long and not easy for me to explain - but it helps to reduce wrinkles and spots etc if you are hitting on the correct position. Explain more the next time. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:01 pm |
| I have forgotten to mention that I am doing hot foot bath (30 mins) with a special herbal leaves, which helps to relief the bad stuff from your body, including 'hot' and 'wind' and 'cool'. I do it before bedtime and always have a good sleep after I start having foot bath. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:03 pm |
I only take Chinese medicine if I am sick, I won't take any Chinese medicine for anti-aging/beauty.
One of the book I am reading is Huangdi Neijing , The Medical Classic of the Yellow Emperor home use instruction book. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:20 pm |
| Very interesting, critic. Thanks for sharing. I am assuming one would need to be seen by a TCM specialist to determine what foods are right and what foods to avoid for them personally? |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:31 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Very interesting, critic. Thanks for sharing. I am assuming one would need to be seen by a TCM specialist to determine what foods are right and what foods to avoid for them personally? |
Not really. I am lucky that there are more and more famous doctors willing to share everything in their blog and books, most of these doctors are working in government hospitals (and now they are famous!) None of them encourage taking medicine, the core is spiritual cultivates. Knowing your body, mind and feed your body with the right food. It talks a lot about how to maintain enough 'blood' and 'breath' (the terms of blood and breath in Chinese do not mean the same blood and breath in the Western)
how do you feel in general, perhaps I can recommend some food to you? |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:39 pm |
| TTD wrote: |
| I protest at the sweeping condemnation you made on TCM linking it to endangered animals, when this is only a small (and getting smaller) part of it. |
I did not make that statement. I have read though that the trade in endangered animal parts for TCM is a real threat to certain species. |
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"I know that only time will heal my broken heart, just as only time will heal his broken arms and legs.” --Miss Piggy |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:02 am |
Hi there,
I hope that no one minds that I post on EDS from time to time, despite being a new member! Anyway, I think that it's agreed that unnecessary cruelty to animals is bad, bad, bad. Again, I just wanted to point out TCM is quite an extensive discipline, and probably like most extensive disciplines, there are good parts and some not so good parts-- and one shouldn't necessarily judge an entire discipline based on a small part, as being representative of the whole. In my book, animals testing is terrible and I would venture to say that petroleum-derived products are probably not so good for the environment-- but I wouldn't necessarily associate all cosmetics companies as "bad" simply because a few engage in these practices. In the same way, I wouldn't dismiss the entire body of TCM.
Anyway, regarding TCM, I was wondering if anyone had heard of using acupuncture for facial rejuvenation in lieu of Botox? |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:15 am |
I just read that 20% of products in TCM are derived from animals. Below is an excerpt from this article from the World Wildlife Federation:
http://www.worldwildlife.org/what/globalmarkets/wildlifetrade/tcmfaqs.html
'Today, the international conservation community is increasingly concerned about the use of parts and products from threatened, endangered, or otherwise protected species in traditional Chinese medicine. Rhinoceros and Saiga antelope horns, tiger and leopard bones, musk glands from musk deer, bear gallbladders, fur seal bacula (penis bone), and American ginseng roots are some prominent examples of parts and products from endangered, threatened, or protected species that are used in both prescriptions and patented traditional medicines. Other protected animal species whose parts are used to make traditional medicines include sea lions; macaques; pangolins; crocodiles; green sea turtles; freshwater turtles; tortoises; water monitor lizards; cobras; ratsnakes; and giant clams..' |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:13 am |
| Wow-- that was a good article Justine1900, very informative. I feel that definitely, if one were to seek out TCM for one reason or another, cosmetic or otherwise, one should be aware of these issues and request that their TCM practitioner abstain from using anything derived from endangered animals. I believe that there are definitely many other effective non-endangered animal based alternatives out there. |
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Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:53 am |
Sorry I haven't responded, I've been busy the last couple of days as one of my good friends passed away.
I am very much an animal lover and am a member of WSPA, along with receiving alot of information through email by other animal welfare groups.
Anyway as Justine pointed out there is alot of use of endangered species in TCM. I am not against the use of TCM if there is no endangered species used. My mother saw a Chinese therapist here in Perth a few years ago and when I read the ingredients in the mixture prescribed her I discovered it contained tiger bone. I contacted The Animal Liberation Group and they got onto it. All that happened was the Dr was given a warning not to import restricted materials again.
I was not happy. It really did put me off Chinese medicine. |
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Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:27 am |
| Mishey wrote: |
| I am not against the use of TCM if there is no endangered species used |
Mishey, really? Doesn't the cruelty aspect of killing non-protected animals for beauty treatments bother you at all? Do you think they are killed humanely? |
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"I know that only time will heal my broken heart, just as only time will heal his broken arms and legs.” --Miss Piggy |
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Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:40 pm |
For beauty treatments, of course. I was thinking of the medicine aspect of it.
However upon more consideration I realise I shouldn't have said that. The bear farms over there are horrific, and NO REASON is a good reason to hurt any being like that. I don't care if it could cure world hunger.
So yes I do take back that statement. |
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Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:24 pm |
I have a friend who sees a Chinese medical practitioner and swears by him -- he treated a kidney problem in her son that some of the "best" specialists in Western medicine had been unable to resolve. She now sees him for just about all her family's medical issues. I also have an MD friend who decided to transition to Chinese medicine and has obtained a second degree at the TCM college in San Francisco.
So all my experience with TCM is secondhand, but I've heard only about traditional herbs, acupuncture, and the like. The idea that the practitioners focus on ensuring health rather than treating illness always seemed appealing to me. Hearing about the endangered species aspect is upsetting, especially for an animal lover/vegetarian. Seems as though there should be a way to derive benefits from the philosophy/herbal elements -- without needing to use animals, endangered or otherwise? |
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