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Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:47 am  |
Well I don't know about the new pill but I go to a natureopathy doctor and about a year ago he told me to take 2 tablespoons of tomato PASTE a day. I have done so and I can see more elasticity.Tomato paste has lycopene and is loaded with antioxidants. Time marches on and I can't wait for a pill,I'm running my HOFFIES off trying to stay ahead.
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:50 am |
| Leggy 61 wrote: |
Well I don't know about the new pill but I go to a natureopathy doctor and about a year ago he told me to take 2 tablespoons of tomato PASTE a day. I have done so and I can see more elasticity.Tomato paste has lycopene and is loaded with antioxidants. Time marches on and I can't wait for a pill,I'm running my HOFFIES off trying to stay ahead.
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Thanks for the top tip about tomato paste.
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:11 am |
I did see that article originally, but haven't seen it in the shops just yet, but £25 for 10 days supply is a little costly though to maintain.
Its funny as I know the 2 tablespoons of tomato PASTE (but thought it was puree that was originally), but its a well documented fact and I've been waiting for a study done by Manchester University (which hasn't been released yet) but that claims that it can help reverse sun damage. I'm hoping they hurry up as they did the press release for it ages ago last year (but when I spoke with the Uni they said their PR people had been a little over zealous in publishing it as the study wasn't actually ready for publication).
I also remember someone posted a video of Tina Richards (Tua Viso lady) who was interviewed and said it was one of her top antiaging tips to eat it on a cracker as a snack. |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:48 am |
| Yes I was told to eat it on a cracker.I do so and than take my other supplements. My Dr.said the paste had more lycopene than the puree and yes you are correct about the sun protection although you still need SS. |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:11 am |
| Leggy 61 wrote: |
| Yes I was told to eat it on a cracker.I do so and than take my other supplements. My Dr.said the paste had more lycopene than the puree and yes you are correct about the sun protection although you still need SS. |
Well, that may partially explain my mothers great skin at 89. Greeks (at least in the old country) love to spread tomato paste with a drizzle of olive oil on bread as a snack. I remember my parents eating it daily. |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:30 am |
When living up north and having a large vegetable garden including 72 various tomato plants! I know! I have made home made sauce and purée as well as tomato paste!
It only makes sense that the paste would be the preferred choice, it is way more concentrated, using many, many more tomatoes and therefore would have the highest concentration of lycopene!
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| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
I did see that article originally, but haven't seen it in the shops just yet, but £25 for 10 days supply is a little costly though to maintain.
Its funny as I know the 2 tablespoons of tomato PASTE (but thought it was puree that was originally), but its a well documented fact and I've been waiting for a study done by Manchester University (which hasn't been released yet) but that claims that it can help reverse sun damage. I'm hoping they hurry up as they did the press release for it ages ago last year (but when I spoke with the Uni they said their PR people had been a little over zealous in publishing it as the study wasn't actually ready for publication).
I also remember someone posted a video of Tina Richards (Tua Viso lady) who was interviewed and said it was one of her top antiaging tips to eat it on a cracker as a snack. |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:07 am |
Basically you spend 75 pounds a month (approximately $ 120 US) for 6 months to get a reduction in wrinkles of 8.7% .... not a very good return on your money I don't think.
These pills actually contain 3 active ingredients; Lycopene, Vitamin C and isoflavones (from soy). I am assuming they act in synergy to reduce wrinkles and increase skin elasticity. |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:12 am |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
Basically you spend 75 pounds a month (approximately $ 120 US) for 6 months to get a reduction in wrinkles of 8.7% .... not a very good return on your money I don't think.
These pills actually contain 3 active ingredients; Lycopene, Vitamin C and isoflavones (from soy). I am assuming they act in synergy to reduce wrinkles and increase skin elasticity. |
That sounds like it would be quite easy to consume in a well rounded healthy diet! I think I would just as soon put that money towards my grocery bill!
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:20 pm |
I, also, have read about the benefits of tomato paste but have never heard the suggestion to spread it on a cracker or bread. I may actually be able to eat it that way!
There is no way that I would pay $120 per month for something that I could so easily get through my diet.
I'm off to buy some tomato paste!  |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:37 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
I, also, have read about the benefits of tomato paste but have never heard the suggestion to spread it on a cracker or bread. I may actually be able to eat it that way!
There is no way that I would pay $120 per month for something that I could so easily get through my diet.
I'm off to buy some tomato paste! |
Try it with a little fresh garlic or garlic powder and a drizzle of olive oil, Delicious!
Enjoy!
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:35 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
Basically you spend 75 pounds a month (approximately $ 120 US) for 6 months to get a reduction in wrinkles of 8.7% .... not a very good return on your money I don't think.
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Wasn't it an 8.7% better rate of elasticity? I don't know how significant that number would be in terms of elasticity. I wonder how they modified the lycopene to make it more readily absorbed? |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:22 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
Basically you spend 75 pounds a month (approximately $ 120 US) for 6 months to get a reduction in wrinkles of 8.7% .... not a very good return on your money I don't think.
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Wasn't it an 8.7% better rate of elasticity? I don't know how significant that number would be in terms of elasticity. I wonder how they modified the lycopene to make it more readily absorbed? |
I found this information, from the company (Innéov’s Fermeté):
Lycopene is a naturally
occurring molecule found in
tomatoes. In its pure form,
it crystallises and is insoluble
so, if ingested, it passes
through the digestive system
without being absorbed.
But Nestlé scientists found
a way to ensure its absorption:
disperse lycopene as
individual molecules on dried
milk particles. This ensures
a high efficiency of absorption
and allows the lycopene to
reach the skin from the inside.
In the form of lactolycopene,
and associated with
isoflavones and vitamin C at
nutritional doses, it has been
shown to have a beneficial
effect on the skin. Isoflavones
are also natural substances,
known as phytohormones
because of their structural
analogies with estrogens.
They are mainly extracted
from soy.
“In skin models, L’Oréal
scientists have shown
that this original nutrient
combination leads to
a significant increase of
hyaluronic acid and collagen
synthesis, which are both key
parameters involved in skin
firmness and density.
Skin density, measured
by ultrasound scanning,
is significantly better in women
taking the lactolycopene/
isoflavone/vitamin C nutrient
in a pill form compared to
a placebo; the visco-elasticity
properties of the skin are
improved. In addition, after
six months of taking the
product, skin replicas show
that the redensifying effect
in the subcutaneous layer
translates into a smoothing
effect at the skin surface. |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:56 pm |
I think Silicone (Biosil, etc) type drops have studies which demonstrate impressive improvements in facial wrinkling, hair, cartilege when used for something like a 3 month period. I read these a while back so not exactly sure of any facts off the top.
I take these with MSM in a 1/4 cup H2O. Very nasty tasting. (Must be good  ) = Take C with it also - separately. |
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:56 pm |
Dietary sources of lycopene[9]
Source μg/g wet weight
Gac 2,000–2,300
Raw tomato 8.8–42
Tomato juice 86–100
Tomato sauce 63–131
Tomato ketchup 124
Watermelon 23–72
Pink grapefruit 3.6–34
Pink guava 54
Papaya 20–53
Rosehip puree 7.8
Apricot < 0.1
Fruits and vegetables that are high in lycopene include gac, tomatoes, watermelon, pink grapefruit, pink guava, papaya, red bell pepper, seabuckthorn, wolfberry (goji, a berry relative of tomato), and rosehip. Although gac (Momordica cochinchinensis Spreng) has the highest content of lycopene of any known fruit or vegetable, up to 70 times more than tomatoes for example[10], due to gac's rarity outside its native region of SE Asia, tomatoes and tomato based sauces, juices, and ketchup account for more than 85% of the dietary intake of lycopene for most people.[11] The lycopene content of tomatoes depends on species and increases as the fruit ripens.[12]
Unlike other fruits and vegetables, where nutritional content such as vitamin C is diminished upon cooking, processing of tomatoes increases the concentration of bioavailable lycopene. Lycopene in tomato paste is four times more bioavailable than in fresh tomatoes. For this reason, tomato sauce is a preferable source as opposed to raw tomatoes.
While most green leafy vegetables and other sources of lycopene are low in fats and oils, lycopene is insoluble in water and is tightly bound to vegetable fiber. Processed tomato products such as pasteurized tomato juice, soup, sauce, and ketchup contain the highest concentrations of bioavailable lycopene from tomato based sources.
Cooking and crushing tomatoes (as in the canning process) and serving in oil-rich dishes (such as spaghetti sauce or pizza) greatly increases assimilation from the digestive tract into the bloodstream. Lycopene is fat-soluble, so the oil is said to help absorption. Gac is a notable exception containing high concentrations of lycopene and also saturated and unsaturated fatty acids.[13]
Lycopene may be obtained from vegetables and fruits such as the tomato, but another source of lycopene is the fungus Blakeslea trispora. Gac is a promising commercial source of lycopene for the purposes of extraction and purification.
The cis-lycopene from some varieties of tomato is more bioavailable.[14]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycopene?wasRedirected=true |
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:45 am |
can you actually buy rosehip puree ?
I seem to have a slight aversion to tomatoes, so something like this might be worth a try. I did a google search but couldn't really find anything,
Jackie xx |
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:10 am |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
I found this information, from the company (Innéov’s Fermeté):
Lycopene is a naturally
occurring molecule found in
tomatoes. In its pure form,
it crystallises and is insoluble
so, if ingested, it passes
through the digestive system
without being absorbed.
But Nestlé scientists found
a way to ensure its absorption:
disperse lycopene as
individual molecules on dried
milk particles. This ensures
a high efficiency of absorption
and allows the lycopene to
reach the skin from the inside.
In the form of lactolycopene,
and associated with
isoflavones and vitamin C at
nutritional doses, it has been
shown to have a beneficial
effect on the skin. Isoflavones
are also natural substances,
known as phytohormones
because of their structural
analogies with estrogens.
They are mainly extracted
from soy.
“In skin models, L’Oréal
scientists have shown
that this original nutrient
combination leads to
a significant increase of
hyaluronic acid and collagen
synthesis, which are both key
parameters involved in skin
firmness and density.
Skin density, measured
by ultrasound scanning,
is significantly better in women
taking the lactolycopene/
isoflavone/vitamin C nutrient
in a pill form compared to
a placebo; the visco-elasticity
properties of the skin are
improved. In addition, after
six months of taking the
product, skin replicas show
that the redensifying effect
in the subcutaneous layer
translates into a smoothing
effect at the skin surface. |
Thanks, Lacy. Very interesting. It seems that it is a synergistic effect with all 3 of the ingredients that is making the difference. I am still not sure how good of an increase that is (8.7% in 6 months)? It doesn't sound like a lot though. I am curious how much of a visible difference that would make. |
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:21 am |
| Jackie284 wrote: |
can you actually buy rosehip puree ?
I seem to have a slight aversion to tomatoes, so something like this might be worth a try. I did a google search but couldn't really find anything,
Jackie xx |
Jackie284,
You can buy dried rose hips at most health food stores, and make your own puree. Just be aware they are full of bioflavonoids and are exceedingly bitter/sour so I think you would need to sweeten the purée to get it down, I don't know of any sources to buy the purée pre-made, sorry!
For purely health benefits the tomato paste is a good source of lycopene as the cooking makes it useable by the body, and it is the most highly concentrated, the olive (or your choice) also helps. I know when making my own oil had to be used to prevent sticking as it is cooked down to concentrate it.
Cooking and crushing tomatoes (as in the canning process) and serving in oil-rich dishes (such as spaghetti sauce or pizza) greatly increases assimilation from the digestive tract into the bloodstream. Lycopene is fat-soluble, so the oil is said to help absorption. Gac is a notable exception containing high concentrations of lycopene and also saturated and unsaturated fatty acids.[13] |
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:30 am |
thanks for that DarkMoon,some great info!
would they just have to be soaked or something and then pureed ?
Jackie xx |
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:39 am |
| Jackie284 wrote: |
thanks for that DarkMoon,some great info!
would they just have to be soaked or something and then pureed ?
Jackie xx |
I have never made it, but I would think soaking in very warm water until soft and then into the blender or food processor would do the trick! You can't really make a purée without moisture as I am sure you know so that seems the best option. I would be hesitant to cook them as the heat may destroy the benefits. I am guessing on that, but I tend to err on the side of caution!
HTH
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:28 am |
I'm with Riley, 8.6% doesn't sound like much.
I tried tomato paste with olive oil on bread last night and loved it! Darkmoon, the garlic idea sounds great. It would be worth making up a batch and keeping it in the fridge to use every day. That should go nicely with the green smoothies.
Sis, how much MSM and biosil do you use?
From Lacy's information, the anti-ageing pill does sound promising but the price would have to drop for me to try it. |
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:12 am |
Tonia,
I agree about the percentage not being that much, and the price of the pill!
I love anything tomato, and garlic, guess that's the 1/2 Italian blood showing through! Another addition that is great with it is basil! I like to have a few different choices or I get bored with the same flavor all the time!
I am glad you enjoyed it!
DM
| Tonia wrote: |
I'm with Riley, 8.6% doesn't sound like much.
I tried tomato paste with olive oil on bread last night and loved it! Darkmoon, the garlic idea sounds great. It would be worth making up a batch and keeping it in the fridge to use every day. That should go nicely with the green smoothies.
Sis, how much MSM and biosil do you use?
From Lacy's information, the anti-ageing pill does sound promising but the price would have to drop for me to try it. |
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:04 pm |
I buy lycopene capsules from Iherb.com and there fairly inexpensive. Antonia posted on her blog what the best supplements were for anti aging some months back.
I take all she recommended and I look better than I did 5 years ago but I am also was doing facial exercises but now are doing the lymph massage and numerous other skin care things so its difficult to know what is making the difference.
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:15 pm |
Hey Tonia - I use biosil and take five drops am and pm in a small (very) glass of water - also mix in a hefty bit of MSM (probably about 1500 mg am and pm with biosil. I take about 1000mg of C also. C and MSM are supposed to optimize each other in effect.
I garden extensively to the point where I'm joining a community garden collective to expand on produce this spring/summer/fall. Looks like a harvest of mucho tomatoes is a great idea.
Katebargold - I liked hearing that things are working for you. |
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