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free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:00 am

There are some threads discussing G M Collins but they are all very old....I am looking for some recommendations from this line, particularly this eye cream...MUA has very good reviews..

http://www.skin-one.com/gmcollin-bota-peptide-contour-cream.html

What do you all think?

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:25 am

Hi! No, I never heard of it but it seems extremely interesting. Does it works well against darkcircles?

xxx

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:44 am

mithai wrote:

There are some threads discussing G M Collins but they are all very old....I am looking for some recommendations from this line, particularly this eye cream...MUA has very good reviews..

http://www.skin-one.com/gmcollin-bota-peptide-contour-cream.html

What do you all think?

After looking at the ingredients list, and the price, it is possible to say that there are both good and bad aspects to this product.

Here is the ingredients list (which surpisingly, was protected from being "copied" on their website):

Water, Phytonadione (Vitamin K), Phospholipids, Sodium Hyaluronate, Hydrolyzed Glycosaminoglycans, Arachidyl Alcohol, Behenyl Alcohol, Arachidyl Glycoside, Acetyl Hexapeptide-3, Hesperidin Methyl Chalcone, Steareth-20, Dipeptide-2, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide-3, PEG-6 Isostearate, Hesperitin Laurate, N-Hydroxysuccinimide, Chrysin, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Glycerin, Butylene Glycol, Carbomer, Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-3, Squalane (Vegetal), Cyclopentasiloxe, Cyclohexasiloxane, Cetearyl Isononanoate, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Oenothera Biennes (Evening Primrose) Oil, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat Germ) Oil, Hydrolyzed Hibiscus Esculentus Extract, Dextrin, Soybean (Glycine Soya), Caffeine, PEG-100 Stearate, Glyceryl Stearate, Octyldodecanol, Irvingia Gabonensis Kernel (Wild Mango) Butter, Hydrogenated Cocoglycerides, Ethylhexylglycerine, Dimethicone, Propylene Glycol, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Chlorphenesin, Xanthan Gum, Fragrance, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Oil, Disodium EDTA, Triethanolamine, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A).

Good: The things I see good about this product is the cosmetic chemist did try to make this product skin friendly, but didn't get it completely right. It does have phospholipids, sodium hyaluronate, squalane and evening primrose (good, stable oil) in it. However, there are no wax esters in this product which would have made it better. The product does rely on "peptides" for anti-age and anti-wrinkle which is good. The preservative system of chlorphenesin and ethylhexylglycerin is mild yet effective.

Bad: The product relies on "Matrixyl" as the anti-wrinkle functional active. I think this is good because Matrixyl is very good at lessening fine lines and wrinkles...BUT, recently the Sederma company made "Matrixyl" ONLY available to Proctor and Gamble. Unless this product is produced by Proctor and Gamble, which I believe it is not, then they are going to have to change the formula. This product will soon not be able to be produced with Matrixyl, and the existing bottles of this product must already be made. That makes me question just how "old" these bottles are. Argireline is a muscle relaxing peptide. This has efficacy against future wrinkle production. Yet, some users of Argiriline have commented that this material can cause skin to "sag" with continued use. This product also has a polymer base from carbomer to help thicken it. This is fine, but they use the neutralizer "Triethanolamine" to activate the polymer. I usually never speak negatively about cosmetic raw materials. But, Triethanolamine is one synthetic raw material that I would never use in a cosmetic product. Even though it is probably added in small amounts in this product, Triethanolamine is NOT skin friendly, it can be skin irritating, and it does have a lot of health warnings associated with it. A better, and more state-of-the-art way to neutralize polymers these days is with hydrolyzed jojoba esters, derived from jojoba. Not only do hydrolyzed jojoba esters neutralize carbomers, but they are skin friendly and skin moisturizing at the same time.

Finally, the big negative about this product is the price, at $80.00 for 0.7 ounces. 0.7 ounces is about 19.6 grams, which you could probably fit on one "heaping" tablespoon. That is not a lot of product for $80.00. Some of the raw materials in this product are relatively high priced, but not nearly high enough to justify an $80.00 per container price.

So, that is my take on this product. It does have some very functional peptides, and good emollient oils and butters. For those who don't like silicones, this product contains a few. It will probably "feel good" and it will probably have some effect on skin wrinkles. But, the high price, along with containing Triethanolamine and Argireline should make consumers think twice about purchasing this product.

John

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:27 pm

NOTCH wrote:

mithai wrote:

There are some threads discussing G M Collins but they are all very old....I am looking for some recommendations from this line, particularly this eye cream...MUA has very good reviews..

http://www.skin-one.com/gmcollin-bota-peptide-contour-cream.html

What do you all think?

After looking at the ingredients list, and the price, it is possible to say that there are both good and bad aspects to this product.

Here is the ingredients list (which surpisingly, was protected from being "copied" on their website):

Water, Phytonadione (Vitamin K), Phospholipids, Sodium Hyaluronate, Hydrolyzed Glycosaminoglycans, Arachidyl Alcohol, Behenyl Alcohol, Arachidyl Glycoside, Acetyl Hexapeptide-3, Hesperidin Methyl Chalcone, Steareth-20, Dipeptide-2, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide-3, PEG-6 Isostearate, Hesperitin Laurate, N-Hydroxysuccinimide, Chrysin, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Glycerin, Butylene Glycol, Carbomer, Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-3, Squalane (Vegetal), Cyclopentasiloxe, Cyclohexasiloxane, Cetearyl Isononanoate, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Oenothera Biennes (Evening Primrose) Oil, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat Germ) Oil, Hydrolyzed Hibiscus Esculentus Extract, Dextrin, Soybean (Glycine Soya), Caffeine, PEG-100 Stearate, Glyceryl Stearate, Octyldodecanol, Irvingia Gabonensis Kernel (Wild Mango) Butter, Hydrogenated Cocoglycerides, Ethylhexylglycerine, Dimethicone, Propylene Glycol, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Chlorphenesin, Xanthan Gum, Fragrance, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Oil, Disodium EDTA, Triethanolamine, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A).

Good: The things I see good about this product is the cosmetic chemist did try to make this product skin friendly, but didn't get it completely right. It does have phospholipids, sodium hyaluronate, squalane and evening primrose (good, stable oil) in it. However, there are no wax esters in this product which would have made it better. The product does rely on "peptides" for anti-age and anti-wrinkle which is good. The preservative system of chlorphenesin and ethylhexylglycerin is mild yet effective.

Bad: The product relies on "Matrixyl" as the anti-wrinkle functional active. I think this is good because Matrixyl is very good at lessening fine lines and wrinkles...BUT, recently the Sederma company made "Matrixyl" ONLY available to Proctor and Gamble. Unless this product is produced by Proctor and Gamble, which I believe it is not, then they are going to have to change the formula. This product will soon not be able to be produced with Matrixyl, and the existing bottles of this product must already be made. That makes me question just how "old" these bottles are. Argireline is a muscle relaxing peptide. This has efficacy against future wrinkle production. Yet, some users of Argiriline have commented that this material can cause skin to "sag" with continued use. This product also has a polymer base from carbomer to help thicken it. This is fine, but they use the neutralizer "Triethanolamine" to activate the polymer. I usually never speak negatively about cosmetic raw materials. But, Triethanolamine is one synthetic raw material that I would never use in a cosmetic product. Even though it is probably added in small amounts in this product, Triethanolamine is NOT skin friendly, it can be skin irritating, and it does have a lot of health warnings associated with it. A better, and more state-of-the-art way to neutralize polymers these days is with hydrolyzed jojoba esters, derived from jojoba. Not only do hydrolyzed jojoba esters neutralize carbomers, but they are skin friendly and skin moisturizing at the same time.

Finally, the big negative about this product is the price, at $80.00 for 0.7 ounces. 0.7 ounces is about 19.6 grams, which you could probably fit on one "heaping" tablespoon. That is not a lot of product for $80.00. Some of the raw materials in this product are relatively high priced, but not nearly high enough to justify an $80.00 per container price.

So, that is my take on this product. It does have some very functional peptides, and good emollient oils and butters. For those who don't like silicones, this product contains a few. It will probably "feel good" and it will probably have some effect on skin wrinkles. But, the high price, along with containing Triethanolamine and Argireline should make consumers think twice about purchasing this product.

John

wow, so professional!!

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:53 pm

John - That's incredible! Do you work in the cosmetics/chemistry industry? You obviously have some expertise.

Could you advise as to which of these serums is likely to be beneficial?

Renovage Serum:
Aqua/Water/Eau, Glyceryl Polymethacrylate, Caprylic/capric Triglyceride, Teprenone, Glycerin, Butylene Glycol, Carbomer, Polysorbate 20, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide-7, Propylene Glycol, Oryza Sativa (Rice) Extract,Sodium Hyaluronate,Phenoxyethanol, Tropolone.

Stem Genesis:
Aqua/Water, Malus Domestica Fruit Cell Culture, Xanthan Gum, Glycerin, Lecithin, Tripeptide-10 Citrulline, Cyperus Esculentus Tuber Extract, Erythritol, Homarine HCl, Acetyl Tetrapeptide-9, Ascorbyl Glucoside, Pamitoyl Dipeptide-5, Diaminobutyloyl Hydroxythreonine, Palmitoyl Dipeptide-6 Diaminohydroxybutyrate, Sodium Hyaluronate (LMW), Sodium Hyaluronate (HMW), Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Phenoxyethanol, Tropolone, Carbomer, Triethanolamine.

One 3000 For Face:
Sodium Hyaluronate, Acetyl Hexapeptide-8, Glycerin, Water, Butylene Glycol, Carbomer, Polysorbate 20, Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-4, Glyceryl Polymethacrylate, Propylene Glycol, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Saccharomyces/Magnesium Ferment, Saccharomyces/Copper Ferment, Saccharomyces/Iron Ferment, Saccharomyces/Zinc Ferment, Saccharomyces/Silicon Ferment, Biotin, Phenoxyethanol, Tropolone.

TIA Smile

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:57 pm

3rd.oculus,

I know it's easy to overlook but read John's signature at the bottom of his post, he is and he and his wife own Never Over The Hill and he formulates the skin care products they sell.

HTH
DM

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:43 pm

DarkMoon -

Thanks for pointing that out! Usually I never read sigs but from now on I will Laughing

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:31 pm

3rd.oculus wrote:

DarkMoon -

Thanks for pointing that out! Usually I never read sigs but from now on I will Laughing

LOL I was just too lazy to type it all
out! Smile

I have purchased some of the NOTH products. Smile

DM

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:23 pm

lisocas wrote:

Hi! No, I never heard of it but it seems extremely interesting. Does it works well against darkcircles?

xxx

According to MUA, it does, that is one of my concerns also...I am waiting for it in the mail...will review after a month..hopefully!

free skin care · Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:22 pm

And Thanks NOTCH...for the insight...Since I have already ordered the product..will use it for a while and see how it goes

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