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Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:17 am  |
This is quote from a doctor in another skin care forum:
"1-Unless you have mature skin which often occurs in the 60's and is the result of a deficit of both water and oil, I do not recommend applying oils to the skin as a "moisturizer" as a moisturizer's function is to restore water to the skin and oils contain no water but merely trap and hold in the moisture/water your skin already has. But oils can clog pores and cause breakouts if you are prone.
2- For the same reason (oils can clog pores and cause breakouts if you are prone) I am not a fan of the oil cleansing method."
What are your thoughts? I am using Jojoba Oil and other oils as moisturizer and I like using them ... but this Dr. is making me think twice. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:23 am |
I use many of the Decleor oils/balms at night and have never had those issues. Plus many here use the OCM and love it! To each his own I say and what works for one may not work with another.
I love Jojoba oil and use it for all types of things. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:30 am |
I agree I use both oil and a moisturizer layering the oil on last (sometimes just over a serum).
When it comes to OCM I along with many others have used this for years and I love what it does for my skin. The "experts" out there never agree on everything and as Annie said what works for one may not for another.  |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:31 am |
| I use organic oils as moisturizer almost everyday and never had problem with them. However cleansing oils break me out. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:35 am |
| vinco wrote: |
| I use organic oils as moisturizer almost everyday and never had problem with them. However cleansing oils break me out. |
OCM uses a botanical oil (or blend) with Castor Oil or straight Jojoba massaged and removed from the skin to cleanse. Cleansing oils have other rinsing agents added to them. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:12 am |
I use oils as part of my moisturizing step (mix with HA)and I'm acne prone.
Generalizing that oils clog pores is really an old school thought IMO. Not all oils are even moisturizing. There are lots of different oils for all skin types, even oily/acne skin.
You know what works for your skin and if jojoba is working for you then I wouldn't worry about it. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:16 pm |
I also like using jojoba or grape seed oil as a "moisturizer" as opposed to other creams.
Having naturally oily skin, I never thought I would use any oils on my face! But it's working for me. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:11 pm |
For my slightly dry, not breakout prone skin:
I use either jojoba oil or a combo of 90% jojoba (or EVOO) with 10% castor oil to precleanse my skin at night to take off stubborn ss and/or mu....I do not use a hot washcloth, just a warm one to remove most of the oil (I have some broken caps) ....I then either do a 2nd cleanse with a mild cleanser or use an alcohol free toner to remove the rest of the residue. Works great for me....but as mentioned before, everyone has to find what works for them. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:16 pm |
Well, if it doesn't cause any breakouts on your skin, so I guess there's nothing with using oil as a moisturizer. Although it might be good if you use it every other day or spare a day not to use put oil on your skin to let your skin breath.
Just a thought. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:24 pm |
| micka686 wrote: |
This is quote from a doctor in another skin care forum:
"1-Unless you have mature skin which often occurs in the 60's and is the result of a deficit of both water and oil, I do not recommend applying oils to the skin as a "moisturizer" as a moisturizer's function is to restore water to the skin and oils contain no water but merely trap and hold in the moisture/water your skin already has. But oils can clog pores and cause breakouts if you are prone.
2- For the same reason (oils can clog pores and cause breakouts if you are prone) I am not a fan of the oil cleansing method."
What are your thoughts? I am using Jojoba Oil and other oils as moisturizer and I like using them ... but this Dr. is making me think twice. |
My guess is that this doctor is referring to acne prone skin?? He actually says that it is O.K for over 60's??? A bit contradictory IMHO. But it would be interesting in knowing if he is referring to certain skin issues which would be coherent with his answer to whatever the question was to begin with.
Happy user of oils, but not all oils suit me, and I have found some break me out...so maybe this doctor doesn't know about different oils and just the word oil makes him think of breakouts... 
In any case, has he recommended how to get 'water' into the skin from the outside, I mean through the skin barrier? What do moisturizers have that 'create' water to go through the skin barrier? |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:26 pm |
| micka686 wrote: |
This is quote from a doctor in another skin care forum:
"1-Unless you have mature skin which often occurs in the 60's and is the result of a deficit of both water and oil, I do not recommend applying oils to the skin as a "moisturizer" as a moisturizer's function is to restore water to the skin and oils contain no water but merely trap and hold in the moisture/water your skin already has. But oils can clog pores and cause breakouts if you are prone.
2- For the same reason (oils can clog pores and cause breakouts if you are prone) I am not a fan of the oil cleansing method."
What are your thoughts? I am using Jojoba Oil and other oils as moisturizer and I like using them ... but this Dr. is making me think twice. |
My guess is that this doctor is referring to acne prone skin?? He actually says that it is O.K for over 60's??? A bit contradictory IMHO. But it would be interesting in knowing if he is referring to certain skin issues which would be coherent with his answer to whatever the question was to begin with.
Happy user of oils, but not all oils suit me, and I have found some break me out...so maybe this doctor doesn't know about different oils and just the word oil makes him think of breakouts...
In any case, has he recommended how to get 'water' into the skin from the outside, I mean through the skin barrier? What do moisturizers have that 'create' water to go through the skin barrier? |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:17 pm |
| I used to use jojoba oil as my only moisturiser and I thought it was great, but my skin acts really strange and reacts to some of my usual products. Thus, after a while my skin broke out badly from using it so I stopped. However, I've still continued to use oil cleansers, as it truly removes all my makeup. |
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Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:49 pm |
This doctor is just generalising IMO. Oils work very well for many people.
They don't work for me, unfortunately. I've tried jojoba, squalane, EVOO, hazelnut, red raspberry seed, pomegranate, grape seed, walnut, camelia, rose hip seed and mineral oil and with the exception of mineral oil all have caused me issues. Most cause me cystic-type bumps. Some have caused general breakouts and others have been irritating (squalane in particular was very irritating for me). I'm okay with a small amount of oil in a formulation, but straight oils just don't work for my difficult skin. |
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Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:06 am |
| Josh wrote: |
| (squalane in particular was very irritating for me). |
Me too! I always thought I was the only one who couldnt use squalane. Its in so many products too. |
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Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:51 pm |
micka686, is it possible you post the original forum, or question, or who the doctor is???
I think by the answers here, we all seem to agree that on trial an error each one seems to find an oil that works,... I would like to know about this doctor to ask him/her how to get 'water' into the skin from the outside... in fact I've only heard of the possibility of 'locking' the interior moisture from the outside -therefore the benefit of finding an oil that does not clog ones pores, but that locks that moisture.
TIA. |
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Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:06 pm |
Sorry, me again, I can't quite understand why this doctor is against the oil cleansing method when this leaves the skin squeaky clean and with no oil -after rubbing the oil plus the hot water cloth there is no oil left without affecting the normal healthy skin oil system! Yet the commercial cleansers I've used leave a film on my face, at least the ones I used some time ago did that, and I had to use a toner -usually with alcohol- to clear off this film which does influence on the health of the skin.
Definitely, I would like to know where the original post is from. TIA. |
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Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:22 am |
| ATester wrote: |
micka686, is it possible you post the original forum, or question, or who the doctor is???
I think by the answers here, we all seem to agree that on trial an error each one seems to find an oil that works,... I would like to know about this doctor to ask him/her how to get 'water' into the skin from the outside... in fact I've only heard of the possibility of 'locking' the interior moisture from the outside -therefore the benefit of finding an oil that does not clog ones pores, but that locks that moisture.
TIA. |
Not micka, but it is from Dr. Neal Schultz. I read that post on the Skin Care Talk forum. |
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Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:30 am |
There are two benefits to using oils:
(1) Applying oil last locks in the moisture, as the oil forms a barrier, trapping the water and preventing it from evaporating.
(2) Using an oil can provide fat-soluble nutrients and anti-oxidants to the skin. In particular, cell membranes are made of all sorts of fats and fat-soluble compounds, so it's important to include an oil and/or other fat-soluble nutrients in order to help repair any skin cell damage. Of course, one doesn't have to use a straight-up carrier oil to do this and there are other options.
So oils do not moisturize the skin in the direct sense of adding hydration to the skin, but they can help retain moisturize that's already present in the skin and they can help repair skin cells so that they are better able to retain moisture....so they can help improve hydration, but they do not hydrate themselves.
The best combo, in my viewpoint, is to moisturize the skin with something like a lotion, serum, or something else with water and water-soluble nutrients, and then apply an oil or a skin care product with fat-soluble components in there, to trap the moisturize in.
I notice a big difference in skin hydration applying even just water, and then applying an oil to lock-in the moisture...it makes my skin even softer and plumper than just using oil, so that's what I do |
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Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:40 pm |
In my early thirties, I used Sonya Dakar Omega oil for acne prone. I found that it helped balance out my oily skin. I stopped after two years and eventually used Cellcosmet.
Now, I decided to go back to using oil. It took me a year to commit to this new method. I apply my vitamin C, the Decleor oil. At one point, I did try jojoba oil, but with time, I was getting blackheads. I may have applied too much on my face.
Now, sometimes I mix aloe vera with oil, then apply moisturizer on top (lightly), but I always apply moisturizer on top of the oil, then sunscreen.
I hope I am not making a mistake with my new routine. |
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Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:39 pm |
| micka686 wrote: |
This is quote from a doctor in another skin care forum:
"1-Unless you have mature skin which often occurs in the 60's and is the result of a deficit of both water and oil, I do not recommend applying oils to the skin as a "moisturizer" as a moisturizer's function is to restore water to the skin and oils contain no water but merely trap and hold in the moisture/water your skin already has. But oils can clog pores and cause breakouts if you are prone.
2- For the same reason (oils can clog pores and cause breakouts if you are prone) I am not a fan of the oil cleansing method."
What are your thoughts? I am using Jojoba Oil and other oils as moisturizer and I like using them ... but this Dr. is making me think twice. |
I think a person should use the lightest moisturizer and only use it on the dry spots. If you have oily skin to begin with, why add more oil to it? |
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Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:37 pm |
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| Not micka, but it is from Dr. Neal Schultz. I read that post on the Skin Care Talk forum. |
Thanks, I'll go see what is said there, didn't know about that forum, always good to learn a bit more! |
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Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:17 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Not micka, but it is from Dr. Neal Schultz. I read that post on the Skin Care Talk forum. |
Ah, that explains it! He has some rather strange ideas/opinions at times. |
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Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:44 pm |
| ATester wrote: |
micka686, is it possible you post the original forum, or question, or who the doctor is???
I think by the answers here, we all seem to agree that on trial an error each one seems to find an oil that works,... I would like to know about this doctor to ask him/her how to get 'water' into the skin from the outside... in fact I've only heard of the possibility of 'locking' the interior moisture from the outside -therefore the benefit of finding an oil that does not clog ones pores, but that locks that moisture.
TIA. |
I apologize for not replying sooner. I am not sure if I am allowed to post the link to the forum for the other website. But I leave this on the Administrator's discretion
Here it is:
http://www.skincaretalk.com/basic-skin-care/12577-ask-neal-schultz-13.html
By the way thanks for all your replies. |
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Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:36 pm |
Sounds like bull to me. I use olive oil on my skin every day. Seals my skin, is full of antioxidants and anti inflammatory polyphenols, how could this be harmful?  Oils like emu, jojoba, olive etc are perfectly safe for skin. |
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