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Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:49 am  |
| Thanks for the link, zina. Very interesting about the pH of the skin, as well as the dryness factor. Maybe I need to rethink moisturizer! |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:29 am |
| Yes, thank you. There were a few things in there which I found... reassuring! |
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Olive, normal/oily skin. Using rinse-off ocm, Vit C, Tretinoin since Nov/10, GHK since Feb/12, Niacinamide & glucosamine, alternating, & now skipping nights! Concerns include oiliness, hyperpigmentation from occasional zits, 11's & nasolabial folds. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:57 am |
| I am all for fillers and Botox, but unless you've got deep pockets, the results are hard to maintain. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:33 am |
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| I am all for fillers and Botox, but unless you've got deep pockets, the results are hard to maintain. |
You read my mind kims, I never had either and can't spend that kind of money on me at this time! |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:04 pm |
| Thanks for sharing. |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:39 pm |
I thought it was also interesting to hear that the PH of skin matters so much. So do you just buy the PH strips and hold one on your face? lol
I also read that drinking AVC keeps your system acidic. I take AVC everyday. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:44 pm |
| SkinCareJunkie wrote: |
I thought it was also interesting to hear that the PH of skin matters so much. So do you just buy the PH strips and hold one on your face? lol
I also read that drinking AVC keeps your system acidic. I take AVC everyday. |
LOL That's a tough one ph strips work for liquid. 
We could buy one of these and test out cheeks. 
http://www.specmeters.com/pH_Meters/ |
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:47 am |
Does anyone know if applying acid products makes the skin acid?
Note the recommendation of Retin-A. |
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:35 am |
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Does anyone know if applying acid products makes the skin acid?
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I think if it does it would only be for a short time before the skins pH returned to normal? I just read that normal healthy skin is slightly acidic with a pH of 4.5-5.5. |
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:43 am |
Not 100% sure if this helps or not but came across this.
http://www.mythbusterbeauty.com/2009/09/02/all-about-retinoids-considering-retin-a/
According to the Skin Deep report, here is the safety report of Retinoid Acid ( the same applies to all retinoids):
http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ingredient.php?ingred06=705541
All Retinoids are used extensively by the medical community, however, all of them cause side-effects. Focusing on the skin, Retin-A sensitizes the skin. This is a long term process and this can only mean the pH has been altered. Retin A- and AHA`s might give the impression of helping bring the skin back to a normal pH as they are very acidic but they are overly acidic and very aggressive. At the beginning the skin feels smooth and readily absorbs all the nutrients but if its use is continued for a long period of time, the skin starts to show symptoms of an acid imbalance (very dry skin), very thin skin, it gets very intolerant to several ingredients, it could develop telangiectasias and even hyperpigmentations as the skin becomes intolerant to the sun and unable to protect itself from UV rays.
The reason why it is highly recommended by dermatologists and conventional estheticians is, besides the reason you mention, it also helps accelerate the cell renewal cycle. This is specially helpful on mature skins whose cycle keeps getting slower and slower. I disagree that this is the only product that stimulates collagen. Vitamin C also stimulates collagen and elastin fibers as well as enzymes. The safe way to get the same benefits (though not so aggressive) as Retin A is to use herbs, foods, rich in Vitamin A. |
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:56 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
All Retinoids are used extensively by the medical community, however, all of them cause side-effects. Focusing on the skin, Retin-A sensitizes the skin. This is a long term process and this can only mean the pH has been altered. Retin A- and AHA`s might give the impression of helping bring the skin back to a normal pH as they are very acidic but they are overly acidic and very aggressive. At the beginning the skin feels smooth and readily absorbs all the nutrients but if its use is continued for a long period of time, the skin starts to show symptoms of an acid imbalance (very dry skin), very thin skin, it gets very intolerant to several ingredients, it could develop telangiectasias and even hyperpigmentations as the skin becomes intolerant to the sun and unable to protect itself from UV rays.
The reason why it is highly recommended by dermatologists and conventional estheticians is, besides the reason you mention, it also helps accelerate the cell renewal cycle. This is specially helpful on mature skins whose cycle keeps getting slower and slower. I disagree that this is the only product that stimulates collagen. Vitamin C also stimulates collagen and elastin fibers as well as enzymes. The safe way to get the same benefits (though not so aggressive) as Retin A is to use herbs, foods, rich in Vitamin A. |
Is this from Skin Deep or Mythbusters? |
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:26 am |
That's confusing sorry! It's on the mythbusters site but they quoted skindeep and supplied the link.
I agree with your post I think our skin would return to it's normal ph after a short amount of time. |
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:07 pm |
I wish it did not always boil down to Botox & fillets as long term solutions.  |
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:44 pm |
Every single topical that I've ever looked up on Skindeep turns out to be hazardous - so I tend to take that site with a grain of salt. And I don't believe that eating foods rich in Vitamin A would equal the benefits of Retin-A applied topically.
Gretchen - it always does seem to come down to Botox and fillers doesn't it. That's because they're guaranteed to give an instant visible result. Not that I'm a fan of fillers though. But the main bugbears of aging are lack of elasticity and facial fat loss - and those issues are very hard to address. |
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Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:22 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Every single topical that I've ever looked up on Skindeep turns out to be hazardous - so I tend to take that site with a grain of salt. And I don't believe that eating foods rich in Vitamin A would equal the benefits of Retin-A applied topically. |
Even if it did equal topical Retin A which I agree it doesn't you would have a hard time eating that much Vitamin A rich food daily, and we know it's a fat soluble vitamin so supplementing can be tricky! |
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:17 am |
I started having Botox about 2 years ago at age 46, just in my '11's. It makes a great difference. I still have a very faint wrinkle, and that is why I wish I had started just abit earlier, before this particular wrinkle left its mark!!
Its funny, my sister, who is 5 years older than me, was the reason I started to have Botox (although she would probably be horrified to know that!) she came to visit, ( I hadn't seen her for about 12 years and could not believe the deep wrinkle between her brows! I believe I have stopped myself from the depth of that same wrinkle (we are very alike in looks) because of Botox. I will continue to have Botox.
I also started to have fillers around the same time. Wish I could afford more of them to be honest. I find fillers are a costly business!!
Unfortunately I dont think there are any creams or gadgets that can really do the job of these. Just my opinion! |
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:23 am |
From all I have read and seen I think you are spot on Bermie, if only I could spend the $$$ I would go for it all in a heartbeat!  Just can't budget it in at this point! |
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:20 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
Every single topical that I've ever looked up on Skindeep turns out to be hazardous - so I tend to take that site with a grain of salt. And I don't believe that eating foods rich in Vitamin A would equal the benefits of Retin-A applied topically.
Gretchen - it always does seem to come down to Botox and fillers doesn't it. That's because they're guaranteed to give an instant visible result. Not that I'm a fan of fillers though. But the main bugbears of aging are lack of elasticity and facial fat loss - and those issues are very hard to address. |
I certainly agree with you on lack of elasticity and facial fat loss. Same for the body. |
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Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:59 pm |
| THANKS FOR YOUR AHRE, AND SOME THINGS ARE VERY USEFUL FOR ME. |
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Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:57 am |
It seems the pH issue follows the same recommendations for both skin and hair - traditional soap and hair dyes are alkaline based. Hence, the suggestion to use a vinegar rinse (acid) on your hair to tame the cuticle and add shine - or to use a conditioner based shampoo rather than a detergent based shampoo.
Since skin and hair are similar, the suggestion to use an oil based cleanser also makes sense.
So we also learn from this article that smiling increases wrinkles yippee! LOL
I tend to place less value on moisturizers, but use the feel of my skin as guidance...maintaining the barrier is another word for it.
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Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:43 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
I tend to place less value on moisturizers, but use the feel of my skin as guidance...maintaining the barrier is another word for it.
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I definitely place less values on moisturizers and haven't used a "traditional" moisturizer ever. I really just rely on whatever serum I am using at the time and just deal with dryness. The article definitely has made me think about some things! |
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Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:58 am |
Quote from the article:
Indeed, a study published in Dermatologic Surgery in March showed that women ages 42 to 59 who had received a single multisyringe treatment with hyaluronic acid fillers were perceived to be an average of 6.1 to 7.3 years younger than their actual age.
I thought this was interesting because I've been reading about this Restylane Vital treatment - which is essentially multiple injections of hyaluronic acid all over the face. This might be my next venture.
http://www.q-med.com/e22d2aba-2cf8-48a6-bb50-568343c91308.fodoc |
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