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Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:18 am  |
| Hi there i am looking for some advice i have pitted acne scars and some signs of aging .I use karin herzog which i have been on for aound 7 months i use most of the range ,i am happy with it but feel i need something else also .I have all the gadgets like lite therapy ,derma roller ,i use every 2 weeks .also have tua trend and skindream ultrasound.But feel i need something stonger.I am just about to order 0.5% retin a from alldays chemist online,made by johnstone and johnstone.Do you think this is the right choice and can i use it with karin herzog products .I am in the uk and could not find anywhere else to get it.Can anyone tell me what results they have had bad or good from using it.I have read mostly good stuff but im not sure how to slot it in to my routine.Also read about obagi but there seems so many side effects with peeling ,i could not go through to much peeling ,as i work in a hospital facing patients all day ,so couldnt be peeling too much.WOuld be gratefull of any advice kind regards |
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:38 am |
Hi Marcia,
You would add retin a to your evening routine. I've never used Karen Herzog products but RA is generally compatible with other products. |
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:01 am |
| I find using the Clarisonic in the morning removes all Retin-A peelies, so you could try that. |
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:33 am |
| Hi thank you for you replies ,i do have the clarisonic so i will keep that in mind.I am just wondering where i would slot the retin a in too the routine with the herzog poducts as they push products in too the skin with the oxygen ,im thinking that maybe it wouldnt be good to push the retin a too far in .Im just not sure .What have been your results with it.kind regards |
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:24 am |
| marcia36 wrote: |
| Hi thank you for you replies ,i do have the clarisonic so i will keep that in mind.I am just wondering where i would slot the retin a in too the routine with the herzog poducts as they push products in too the skin with the oxygen ,im thinking that maybe it wouldnt be good to push the retin a too far in .Im just not sure .What have been your results with it.kind regards |
I don't think skincare is as simple as that. Just because a product says it uses oxygen to push ingredients into your skin, it doesn't necessarily mean it will do that to a different product. There's always different reactions with different ingredients, so it's best to consult a dermatologist when you asking about more complicated questions such as this |
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:37 am |
| Hi thanks for your reply ,i could not afford to conslt a dermatoligist here in uk as it would be hundreds of £££.Thats why i was hoping someone had used retin a and herzog products on here .As this is the place i have found most of my answere about skincare.So hopefully i get some more replies regarding this.kind regards |
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:28 pm |
| I would suggest starting at the lowest strength of Retin A, it will be much easier to adjust to. RA is strong stuff. Gradually work up to nightly use starting with 2 nights a week. Retin A has done the most for me anti-aging wise. Be sure to use sunscreen though daily. |
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:30 pm |
| marcia36 wrote: |
| Hi thank you for you replies ,i do have the clarisonic so i will keep that in mind.I am just wondering where i would slot the retin a in too the routine with the herzog poducts as they push products in too the skin with the oxygen ,im thinking that maybe it wouldnt be good to push the retin a too far in .Im just not sure .What have been your results with it.kind regards |
I think your initial instincts are right. I would separate the use of hydrogen peroxide products and Retin-A. Typically for acne treatments retinoids are applied at night while benzoyl peroxides or hydrogen peroxides are used during the daytime. You can still use your Karin Herzog products without oxygen over the RA in the evening though (if required, to prevent dryness). Typically peroxides and retinoids are applied at opposite ends of the day to minimize dryness, burning and discomfort. This schedule is better tolerated and ensures patient compliance and satisfaction. |
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:59 pm |
| If you haven't already order the Retin A 0.5% you might want to consier starting with .25%. Use it every other day to start and work up to every day. That may minimize the peelies. Then after you finish that tube you could try the 0.5% and use that every other day at first and work up to every night. You should try to use it every night for a year and then you can decrease usage. I think you should save the KH for use during the day, at least the oxygen products. I wouldn't use them over the Retin A. Although I think the KH Vitamin H cream would work well over the Retin A if you have excessive dryness. It would be great if you could not use a moisturizer over the Retin A at night but if you need something wait at least an hour and then apply moisturizer or oils. It's hard to know how you will react to the Retin A, everyone is different. |
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:16 am |
| Hi thank you so much fo your replies ,im very gratfull.I will order the 0.25% retina a .Do put it all over the face or just the lines and scars kind regards |
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:21 am |
| marcia36 wrote: |
| Hi thank you so much fo your replies ,im very gratfull.I will order the 0.25% retina a .Do put it all over the face or just the lines and scars kind regards |
you can put it all over your face for preventative measures |
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:22 pm |
| Hi thank you for your reply ,i tried to find the 0.25% on the website (alldays) but all they had was the gel so i had to order the o.5% as i think the gel woul be to harsh for me so i opted for the cream.What sort of results have you all had from the retina a.I just want a allover fresher look and something to tackle the scars ,all though i do use the derma roller also for the scars .Also i would love to prevent more poblems.Can you put the retina a on your neck as i need some help there.kind regards |
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Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:52 pm |
I have found this works also.
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| I find using the Clarisonic in the morning removes all Retin-A peelies, so you could try that. |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:01 am |
| Hi thank you for your reply .Can you please tell me the results you have had kind regards |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:59 am |
Hi Marcia,
You can use retin a on your neck and your chest too. With me, I have to be a little more careful since my neck and chest are a little more sensitive than my face.
I think the best approach would be to start slowly (3 evenings per week) and gradually build up. Also, especially on the neck and chest area, I would top off with a moisturizer or facial oil to avoid irritation.
Since you're using Karen Herzog products as well, you might try alternating KH and retin a.
As for results... I've been using RA for almost two years now, and quite honestly, I'm not sure if I've seen a lot of improvement. Maybe I still haven't used it long enough?? Or, it's quite possible it's helping in a more preventive mode. |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:20 pm |
| Hi there kimms thank you for your reply.Do you have issues with your skin that you were looking to sort out with rein a or was it just to look younger.Do you feel it is preventing aging issues.My neck is very sensitive so i will be carefull with it.Is it ok to put moisturiser over the retina a to avoid dryness or is it best alone.KIND REGARDS |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:40 pm |
You can apply a moisturizer or facial oil over retin a if you like. This is supposed to help with the redness and flakiness that you may experience until your skin acclimates. I think a lot of us have a wait time of around 30 minutes before applying a moisturizer.
If your neck is really sensitive like mine, a moisturizer is a must! |
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:53 am |
| Hi thank you for your reply .I will make sure i follow with a good moisturiser.kind regards |
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:52 am |
| I've found RA works really well with the gadgets like Tua Viso & Clarisonic--my skin is much better since I added it. |
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Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:38 pm |
| Hi i started using 0.05% retin a aaround 2 weeks now ,i have had no redness no dryness no irrataion at all yet .Im not sure if its down to the fact that my skin is used to vitamin a from the karen herzog range that i have been using for around a year.I did think i would have some reaction ,i use it every night totally alone and allover face and neck .I have been feeling the last few days my skin looks a bit dull and slacker not sure if im imagining it.Do you think i could put the karin herzog oxygen cream over the top of the retin a ,not the kombi a cream just the oxygen to see if that would boost it.Or should i just leave the retin a on alone without anything on top .I usually have quite a few serums and creams on at night so its been a bit strange for me just putting retin a on and nothing else.I just feel nothing is happening at all or am i being to impatient.Would love to hear your views kind regards |
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Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:07 am |
So just because you don't see a reaction yet doesn't mean it's not working. You might be one of those lucky people who doesn't experience the side effects, but the main factor in Retin A's effectiveness is sheer time (6 months at least), not peeling or anything.
I normally don't put anything over my RA (I understand it's most effective on its own), but sometimes I put a soothing ointment over RA near my mouth to reduce irritation. I too used to layer OTC products at night; I love how much simpler my night-time routine is now.
Oh, another thought: Oxygen products could actually have the effect of deactivating RA. You want the Vit A to act as a cell-communicating ingredient (telling the dermal cells to multiply faster, produce more collagen, etc.) not as an anti-oxidant, which is what it does in the presence of UV rays and might do in the presence of too much oxygen. |
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Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:17 am |
| Hi thank you for your reply .I am intrested in what you are saying regarding the karin herzog products ,i still use them all in the morning do you think that could still make the retin a less effective.My sis is at the 3 week mark with retin a and is now peeling so maybe it is still to come with me.Have you seen any change in your skin with the retina a .kind regards |
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Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:07 am |
You're welcome. I doubt morning use of KH products would hinder RA. Yes, maybe the dullness in your skin is the top layer of epidermis getting ready to peel off... BTW, I had peeling regularly, especially around my mouth until about month 4; still get a little bit in harsh weather.
I have definitely seen some good changes--small, but noticeable to me.
1) Before I started RA, if I went to a party and was smiling all night, my fine smile lines would start hurting and be pink and prominent by the end of the night. I no longer have pain when smiling (yay!), and in fact the right-hand line is completely gone; the LH one, which is deeper, is now very soft and only prominent (no longer pink) after smiling a lot.
2) My acne is staying under better control lately. I haven't had a cyst in a long time, and the superficial lesions I get now heal really fast and don't leave any marks!
3) My skin is brighter and smoother... smooth enough that I'm now starting to notice teeny-tiny acne scars that must have been formerly disguised by uneven/rough skin tone/texture. Not a big deal, of course, but you know your skin is getting better when smaller things bother you...
Another few months (or a year, I'm the patient sort) and I imagine I'll be even happier with the results! |
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Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:38 am |
| Oh, and I almost forgot... I have/had a sebaceous hyperplasia on my forehead, and the RA has shrunk it to about a quarter of its original size. I don't see it now unless I look really closely! |
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Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:33 am |
| Hi thanks again for the reply im glad you are getting results even if only small but it does take time.I have used everything on the market and never been happy so i am hoping this will change with the retin a but i dont expect miracalous ,i know better by now.thanks again |
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