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Shami-1
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:49 pm  |
hi all..
I am new to this forum and also skin care discussions.
I have never given much attention on my skin and it resulted in sagging, dull, darkening skin, also the skin around my eyes is very loose.
I have never used any skin care product and now i am very much worried that I just noticed that my I look 60 at 45 years of age.
I really need help and step by step guidance that what should I do.
I don't want to go for any surgery or face lift as they are costly and I don't trust them.
I need guidance with Retin-A and vitamin C.
How to use both of them and what side effects I might get?
what cares should I do and do these product really help for sagging skin and also loose skin around eyes loose eyelid?
Details answers will help, coz I am a newbie to all this, kindly understand and answer my questions.
I live in India and the climate here is humid and hot mostly. |
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Shami-1
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:34 am |
| Waiting for reply.. |
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:14 am |
Sorry, but there is a lot of info on Retin A and Vitamin C on the forum. If you do a search you'll find a wealth of information.
In short, Vit C and Retin A are the best-known topicals for anti-aging. You can use them together, for example, Vit C in AM and Retin A in pm. Or Retin A on top of Vit C if your skin is not super-senstive.
Side effects: irritation, flaky skin, redness, sun sensitivity.
You can combat the side effects with a good healing moisturizer/serum. Use suncreen. |
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:51 am |
SUNSCREEN! You HAVE TO get a good sunscreen to wear every morning, especially if you're in a tropical country, and most especially if you plan to use Vit C & Retin A. Look for one that doesn't leave a "white cast" (since I'm assuming you may be olive or dark skinned), and that it doesn't leave you looking oily in humid weather.
You might also want to look into the Oil Cleansing Method (OCM) and facial massage to help perk up your skin. (There are Tanaka massage videos, for instance, on YouTube).
And maybe frownies or surgical tape for your eyes?
And I would start with Vit C at night for a couple of months before using Retin A. There's far more chance of side effects with Retin A, so you won't want to overload your skin all at once. Ease into everything you do. First, every 3 or 4 days, then every other day...
And you may try gelatin under your eyes for darkness... 1/8th of a teaspoon unflavored gelatin dissolved into a tablespoon or two of hot water. Apply under eyes with cotton, relax for 20 minutes and rinse. It helped me with darkness and tired eyes.
Be excited! As long as you don't go crazy doing too much too soon, or you should be really pleased with the results of any of these. |
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Olive, normal/oily skin. Using rinse-off ocm, Vit C, Tretinoin since Nov/10, GHK since Feb/12, Niacinamide & glucosamine, alternating, & now skipping nights! Concerns include oiliness, hyperpigmentation from occasional zits, 11's & nasolabial folds. |
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Shami-1
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:23 pm |
thank you so much Loria for guiding me..
I will surely follow the directions...
the thing that disturbs is sagging eyelid, it looks weird and i now know that its not normal.. |
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:09 pm |
Like RussianSunshine said, there's lots of info on the forum. Its a good idea to skim it so you'll know what to expect. We've gone through it all a million times on here!
Try what we'd indicated first, and if your eyelid is still bothering you, look into copper peptides. |
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Olive, normal/oily skin. Using rinse-off ocm, Vit C, Tretinoin since Nov/10, GHK since Feb/12, Niacinamide & glucosamine, alternating, & now skipping nights! Concerns include oiliness, hyperpigmentation from occasional zits, 11's & nasolabial folds. |
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:19 pm |
| Vitamin C will help to prevent future photo aging but certainly won't correct the damage 45 years have done. Retin A will help with collagen build-up but you won't see a huge difference in terms of sagging of the skin |
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Late 20's, clarisonic, Vit C serum, hormonal acne, congested pores, combination skin, living in Vancouver Canada |
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:33 pm |
| BCgirl wrote: |
| Vitamin C will help to prevent future photo aging but certainly won't correct the damage 45 years have done. Retin A will help with collagen build-up but you won't see a huge difference in terms of sagging of the skin |
BCgirl, do you know what can help with sagging of the skin? From my experience, Retin A and AHA peels are the best solutions for sagging skin, especially when you are still in early 30s. |
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:49 pm |
| ^ yes I agree that in your 30's when you barely have mature skin conditions like saggy skin, deep wrinkles etc. that RetinA and vitamin C and sunscreen are key in helping to prevent rapid aging. This OP is 45, never had taken care of her skin to where she thinks she looks 60 and wants to take measures. A mature skin is harder to treat than skin in their 30's for anti-aging conditions. My advice would be to use great skincare, sunscreen, retinA, vit C, pycnogenol supplements, laser treatments, Botox and fillers |
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Late 20's, clarisonic, Vit C serum, hormonal acne, congested pores, combination skin, living in Vancouver Canada |
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Shami-1
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:53 pm |
Thanks all of you..
I am also suffering from Osteoporosis and Osteopenia, that is why I have to take Calcium and vitamin D supplements. i want to know that all the products mentioned above like Retin A, Vitamin C, Pycnogenol etc have any side effect with calcium or vitamin D,
i searched for Pycnogenol and there I found that it is also helpful for bones, what do you people know,can i use it with other calcium and vitamin D supplements and for how long should I use it.
one more thing can I use Retin A on Upper eyelid with care so that it will not get in eye..?
I put a viel on my face and gloves on my hand when I do out, the viel covers my whole face except eyes, can you tell me that this viel works as Sunblock or not, |
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Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:00 am |
Shami, my doctor actually instructed me to put the Retin A on the eyelids - and to BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN DOING SO! You do not want this in your eye. It is a sensitive area so you may have to ease yourself into it, but I was glad he said it was OK as eyelids are one of those places where age really shows.
And always use sunscreen when using Retin A, even if the formulation contains it.
best, mis |
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Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:02 pm |
Thanks for this. The Life Extension study is impressive. I've had really successful results with their recommendations for lowering cholesterol, so I may try K2 as well since I have osteopenia. |
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Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:36 am |
| Vitamin K is found in green vegetables (cooked kale, collards, spinach), and the recommended daily amount (250 mcg a day) can be obtained from a daily green salad. No need to buy supplements. |
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Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:38 am |
Try Cellex-c advanced C series.
Apply these products every morning.(Once every 24 hours)
Remember to wear sunscreen after that. |
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Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:05 pm |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| Vitamin K is found in green vegetables (cooked kale, collards, spinach), and the recommended daily amount (250 mcg a day) can be obtained from a daily green salad. No need to buy supplements. |
I suggest reading the article as to why you would want to supplement with the OTHER forms of vitamin K. |
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Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:30 pm |
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| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| Vitamin K is found in green vegetables (cooked kale, collards, spinach), and the recommended daily amount (250 mcg a day) can be obtained from a daily green salad. No need to buy supplements. |
I suggest reading the article as to why you would want to supplement with the OTHER forms of vitamin K. |
I should have said that healthy adults do not need supplementation of neither Vitamin K1 nor Vitamin K2. Vitamin K2 is found in fermented soy and cheese/dairy. And you are right, those with osteoporosis or osteopenia may consider K2 supplements, and eat foods rich in vitamin K.
Most of the studies on Vitamin K2 come from Japan, Germany, but not from the US. There is no evidence in the US that Vitamin K2 can improve bone density on its own while Vitamin D and calcium deficiency for bone health have long been recognized. Phosphorus, potassium, and magnesium are other important minerals for bone health. So first, one should check their 25-hydroxy D levels and get supplements of Vitamin D to reach 75 nmol/L level.
Then make sure you get enough of calcium (1000 mg daily for women). Then magnesium (350-400 mg), then Phosphorus and Vitamin C. And only then one may consider adding a K2 supplement. |
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Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:12 pm |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| Pandax12 wrote: |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| Vitamin K is found in green vegetables (cooked kale, collards, spinach), and the recommended daily amount (250 mcg a day) can be obtained from a daily green salad. No need to buy supplements. |
I suggest reading the article as to why you would want to supplement with the OTHER forms of vitamin K. |
I should have said that healthy adults do not need supplementation of neither Vitamin K1 nor Vitamin K2. Vitamin K2 is found in fermented soy and cheese/dairy. And you are right, those with osteoporosis or osteopenia may consider K2 supplements, and eat foods rich in vitamin K.
Most of the studies on Vitamin K2 come from Japan, Germany, but not from the US. There is no evidence in the US that Vitamin K2 can improve bone density on its own while Vitamin D and calcium deficiency for bone health have long been recognized. Phosphorus, potassium, and magnesium are other important minerals for bone health. So first, one should check their 25-hydroxy D levels and get supplements of Vitamin D to reach 75 nmol/L level.
Then make sure you get enough of calcium (1000 mg daily for women). Then magnesium (350-400 mg), then Phosphorus and Vitamin C. And only then one may consider adding a K2 supplement. |
Hardly anyone eats fermented soy, and the amount of K2 in cheese/dairy is far below the amount shown to have great benefit. So most of the evidence is not US based, therefore not valid. Alrighty then. That's great logic. Keeping calcium (plaque) out of the arteries and into bone is plenty reason enough to take it. I'll take Life Extensions opinion over your's every time. |
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Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:40 pm |
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Hardly anyone eats fermented soy, and the amount of K2 in cheese/dairy is far below the amount shown to have great benefit. So most of the evidence is not US based, therefore not valid. Alrighty then. That's great logic. Keeping calcium (plaque) out of the arteries and into bone is plenty reason enough to take it. I'll take Life Extensions opinion over your's every time. |
I guess rudeness never goes out of fashion. Pandax12, I would appreciate if you just ignore my posts from now on. Thank you. |
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Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:46 am |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| Pandax12 wrote: |
Hardly anyone eats fermented soy, and the amount of K2 in cheese/dairy is far below the amount shown to have great benefit. So most of the evidence is not US based, therefore not valid. Alrighty then. That's great logic. Keeping calcium (plaque) out of the arteries and into bone is plenty reason enough to take it. I'll take Life Extensions opinion over your's every time. |
I guess rudeness never goes out of fashion. Pandax12, I would appreciate if you just ignore my posts from now on. Thank you. |
Will do. And the truth never goes out of fashion either. |
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Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:58 am |
I think that if I were just beginning to take care of my skin at my age (44) I would be confused and anxious. This is what I would recommend.
1. As others have said, research is your best friend. Look at both the scientific and anecdotal evidence of an ingredient or product before you dive in.
2. Sunscreen! Everything else you do will be in vain if you are not protecting your skin from environmental damage. Find one that provides broad spectrum coverage, doesn't irritate your skin or eyes, and is comfortable for your skin type.
3. Be gentle. Find a gentle, effective cleanser that will not further irritate your skin. You don't need a fancy cleanser, just a good one. As you begin to add anti-aging products to your regimen, do so one at a time so you can really gage whether you're getting results without further damage.
4. Retin-A and other "big guns." I have used Retin-A on and off for almost 30 years. It's a great product, and if you choose to use it, do a lot of research. The side effects can be significant for some people. Many of the most effective anti-aging ingredients have one or more of these actions: cell-turnover/exfoliation, cell communication, protection, and/or anti-irritation. Retin-A will communicate with the cells in your skin so they form in a more healthy manner. It will also kgreatly increase the cell turnover rate, so you're likely to experience dryness, irritation, flaking, and of course, sun sensitivity. Keep this in mind as you build your regimen to include protective/repair active antioxidants (vitamin C is one) that can also cause dryness or irritation at first or in high quantities. Again, start with one ingredient and build.
I recommend the "Expert Advice" section of the beautypedia site. The author is not the single authority on anything, but the articles are easy to read, well-researched, and can give you a good starting overview of what to consider.
5. Diet. You probably dont need to be told, but you are what you eat. Plenty of fluids is important.
Hope that helps. |
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