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popping2009
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| Thank you in advance for your help on this matter. I am a 31 year old male and just recently I have started to get I guess you would call them sleep lines under my eyes. They are two lines under both eyes and it looks terrible to me. I am not sure what to do about them. It started as one line under each eye and now its two. I can pull my skin down under my eyes and it looks normal as soon as I let go it comes right back. I ordered some stuff called Hydroatone after reading all the terrible review about the product I canceled. I was so exacted to get the product but now that I canceled it I feel lost again. Can anyone suggest what I can do to get rid of these? Thank you so much for your help |
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popping2009
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:59 pm |
| help? |
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:11 pm |
I'm not really clear on the problem from your post...do you have what looks like some sleep creases under your eyes?
If so, are you drinking enough water to keep your skin sufficiently hydrated?
Does it look like you have any undereye puffiness or sagging?
What kind of skin products are you using, and how often? |
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popping2009
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:20 pm |
Thank you for the reply!!!
[quote="bethany"]I'm not really clear on the problem from your post...do you have what looks like some sleep creases under your eyes?
Yes They are creases under my eyes. It started as one crease under each I now its two.
If so, are you drinking enough water to keep your skin sufficiently hydrated?
I try to drink enough water but I need to be better at it.
Does it look like you have any undereye puffiness or sagging?
Yes where it is creasing under my eye the two lines are puffy.
What kind of skin products are you using, and how often?
I don't use any skin products. Not sure what to use.
Thank you so much for your help. |
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:45 pm |
If you have puffiness under your eyes, it is often caused by fluid retention or allergies.
Do you have a high sodium intake? I can see my Diet Coke intake reflected under my eyes the next morning if I overdo it. 
Do you have any allergies? |
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popping2009
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:59 pm |
| no I don't have allergies I live off Diet Mt Dew. Should I use anything under my eyes? |
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:07 pm |
| You may want to think about Retin A for fine lines at night, a good topical C serum in the morning, and sunscreen every day as far as topical things to use. |
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popping2009
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:17 pm |
| Thank you...where can I buy that stuff? |
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:08 pm |
| popping2009 wrote: |
| no I don't have allergies I live off Diet Mt Dew. Should I use anything under my eyes? |
Diet Mountain Dew has 35mg of sodium per can....if you are drinking a lot of these, it could be causing the puffiness (I see it myself very frequently from my Diet Coke).
If you are someone who is into skin stuff, go with Rileygirl's recommendations (you will HAVE to wear sunscreen every day with the Retin A).
If not, you want to find a basic eye cream that has those ingredients...Neutrogena is a good drugstore brand. |
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:00 am |
| popping2009 wrote: |
| Thank you in advance for your help on this matter. I am a 31 year old male and just recently I have started to get I guess you would call them sleep lines under my eyes. They are two lines under both eyes and it looks terrible to me. I am not sure what to do about them. It started as one line under each eye and now its two. I can pull my skin down under my eyes and it looks normal as soon as I let go it comes right back. I ordered some stuff called Hydroatone after reading all the terrible review about the product I canceled. I was so exacted to get the product but now that I canceled it I feel lost again. Can anyone suggest what I can do to get rid of these? Thank you so much for your help |
Just to add... are your lines there all day, or just in the morning? You can develop lines as the muscle around the eye slackens and drops, and there are creases where the area is sagging. The eye area responds very quickly to exercise, especially in men, so I'll send you an exercise and see if it helps in combination with the advice the other good people have given  LL  |
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:32 am |
otherloulou,
Could you please send me the exercises too?
Thanks,
Jamie |
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:43 am |
Hi popping2009,
I'm a 34 year-old male, and I just noticed the same thing earlier this year (not sure how long they'd been there).
Not that I've noticed any improvement yet, but one of the best things you can do for starters, is to sleep on your back. I had a weird side/stomach sleeping style and my face was always mashed into the pillow.
The biggest problem for me is that I've developed an unhealthy fixation on the "creases" and can't help examining them whenever I'm in a bathroom, especially under different lighting.
Anyway, this isn't of much help other than to tell you you're not alone!
Thanks,
Jamie |
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popping2009
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:06 am |
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| You may want to think about Retin A for fine lines at night, a good topical C serum in the morning, and sunscreen every day as far as topical things to use. |
Where do I find these products Retin A and a Topical C serum?
otherloulou----Thank you for the exercises! To answer your question yes the lines are there all day however in the morning they are very noticeable when I wake up.
Jamie----Thank you I will start to sleep on my back more often.
Thank you everyone for your information! |
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:10 pm |
| popping2009 wrote: |
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| You may want to think about Retin A for fine lines at night, a good topical C serum in the morning, and sunscreen every day as far as topical things to use. |
Where do I find these products Retin A and a Topical C serum? |
As Bethany mentioned, there are some decent drugstore brands. This thread had some good recommendations on drugstore brands as suggested in "The New Science of Perfect Skin" by Dr. Daniel Yarosh…
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29133
And, of course, EDS has a ton of retinol and vitamin C products which can be found by searching the store for products by ingredient or by the type of product (i.e. eye or eye cream/eye gel etc.) or even for brands that have a men's line...
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/
One thing to keep in mind while researching is that a rave/recommendation of what works for one may or may not work for you so unfortunately there is very often some trial and error involved... If you can, for a greater likelihood of success, try to see if the recommendation/rave was made by someone with a similar skin type/concern/sensitivity/age group, etc. to your own. Also, particularly with the pricier products, you may want to try a sample first to see if a product agrees with you before springing for a full size as sometimes we may find we are sensitive to an ingredient or perhaps that we can't stand the smell or texture, etc.
Good luck & welcome to EDS! I hope you let us know what you decided to do in the end and how it worked for you. |
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:52 pm |
| popping2009 wrote: |
Where do I find these products Retin A and a Topical C serum? |
Retin-A is a prescription strength cream containing the active ingredient tretinoin (retinoic acid, a vitamin A derivative). Tretinoin is the only ingredient in topical skin care products that is proven in numerous studies to be able to boost collagen production and erase fine lines. After 3-6 months of use you will most likely see an improvement. Either you have to go to a dermatologist to get a prescription, or you can buy the generic brand Retino-A from an online pharmacy, likewww.alldaychemist.com, without prescription. Lots of people on this forum buy their tretinoin creams from online pharmacies.
If you prefer a non-prescription vitamin A product, there are many retinol creams to choose from (as mentioned by havana8). Retinol (the pure form of vitamin A) is weaker than tretinoin, but there are studies showing that retinol creams are also effective. Some popular and high quality retinol creams are made by Skinceuticals, La Roche-Posay Biomedic, Afirm, Green Cream, Remergent...
Many people here use a retinol product PM and a vitamin C serum AM. Topical application of vitamin C gives antioxidant protection in order to prevent further damage and premature signs of aging. It may also to some extent promote collagen synthesis, hence erasing fine lines. Some popular and stable vitamin C serums: Skinceuticals CE Ferulic, SkinMedica C Complex, CellularskinRX C+ (less expensive).
EDS carries Remergent, SkinMedica and CellularSkin. The other brands I mentioned can easily be found in other online stores if you do a google search.
Topical vitamin A and vitamin C products are most likely your best bet to combat and prevent lines and wrinkles, but it does take time to see results. Good luck, Popping2009.
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:32 pm |
| As Loulou posted, exercises for eyes might be very good for correcting eye sagginess. |
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:04 pm |
| popping2009, Septembergirl did a great job at answering your question. Check into some of the products she mentioned. She gives great advice! |
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:37 pm |
By increasing blood supply temporarily you might be able to reduce the appearance of those lines. Lifting legs over your head gradually increasing the time of the exercise will help. Max 20 minutes.  |
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:17 am |
| Try to drink more coffee instead of drinking diet sodas, caffine helps to relieve water retention. |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:25 am |
| dear otherloulou,can you share the exercises for us,thanks！ |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:29 pm |
Otherloulou, I am also interested.Thank you  |
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JeSuisNapoleon
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Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:22 am |
Otherloulou, could you send me the exercises as well? I am afraid I do not know what to do to lessen the sleep lines on my face and it's driving me mad.
Thank you very much. |
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Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:46 am |
| Retin A, as septembergirl mentioned, and a SILK pillowcase! There has been a lot said about the benefits of a silk pillowcase to prevent causing lines when u sleep... |
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Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:46 pm |
| One more thing...since these lines appear after sleep, sleeping on your back is a good idea as someone else mentioned. I have always slept on my tummy and (at 50-something) have hellish problems trying to change that...until I took two pillows and put one on each side of my shoulders, making it impossible to do the big rollover in the night I had a very bad NL fold on my right side as I slept on this side. It has been gradually improving since I got into the habit of using the two extra pillows. That diet MD is not a good idea if you want to have a great skin...it's full of weird chemicals. |
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Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:06 pm |
| yes otherloulou, I'm interested in the eye exercises too! |
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