Has anyone tried ReAura Laser Device from Philips?
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free skin care · Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:43 pm

http://www.reaura.philips.co.uk/

Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:46 am

I've got my eye on this one although there doesn't seem to be too much on it out there yet:

Philips RéAura - Lighting up the world of skincare
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/lifestyle/laser-skin-rejuvenation/8809080/Philips-ReAura-Lighting-up-the-world-of-skincare.html

Philips ReAura under review
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/lifestyle/laser-skin-rejuvenation/8827681/Philips-ReAura-under-review.html

Light fantastic: Could a new home laser really take the place of a £4,000 skin treatment?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2061079/Light-fantastic-Could-new-home-laser-really-place-4-000-skin-treatment.html

£799 seems a bit pricey, though! even with a 2 year global warranty.

free skin care · Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:31 am

The reviews from the Telegraph is sponsored by Phillips....So not so trustworthy I think

free skin care · Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:17 am

As mentioned in the comments, the Daily Mail does a lot of these "miracle cream" and "miracle gadget" articles, which makes one wonder if it's a thinly-disguised advertisement.

There's even someone on there promoting their beauty blog. Anyway, I think £799 is too much money to splash out until there's some *trustworthy* positive feedback happening.

I got caught up in the first flush of raves for Palovia..but now the jury seems to be out. I think the inflammation these devices provide make people think there are permanent changes. Can't say I see any staggering results.

Who knows, the ReAura may be quite different (?).

The Telegraph's conclusion from the beauty writer: "Afterwards my face is pink and warm, but this is soothed with RéAura’s After-Care Complex lotion. My skin is glowing – I am impressed. It’s not every day I get to use a laser at home!" is so vague, it's a pretty useless verdict. The rest of the article is padded out with (I assume, Philips' own) statistics. It would need to be used over a much longer period of time.

The more in-depth article (over about 8 weeks, with feedback from 3 women) seems more positive. Whether the reviews are sponsored or not it's hard to tell. From others' experience of laser, at-home or in-salon, we can safely assume everyone's skin responds and regenerates differently. 100% rave reviews for these laser skin treatments is inaccurate.

And, again, what happens when they *stop* using the ReAura for a few weeks? That's what made a few people wonder about the Palovia's true effectiveness.

free skin care · Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:17 pm

Found someone who is testing it;
http://www.beautygeekuk.com/2011/10/philips-reaura-first-treatment-log.html

She claims that it has helped her acne.

free skin care · Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:18 pm

She put a comment on the Daily Mail website redirecting others to her blog. And the ReAura isn't really an acne or pigmentation (!) treatment, it's more for treating fine lines/scars/badly textured skin.

Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:40 am

Hello,

I hope you don't mind me joining in this conversation; I'm the blogger who commented on the ReAura feature in the Daily Mail. Can I ask, what is so terrible about me trying to direct people who are interested in the ReAura to my blog which features a lot of information about my experiences with the ReAura? Having visited a few forums that included people asking about it, I thought it would be of benefit to make them aware of all my posts, especially considering I'm not a huge blog so I might not come up high on search results.

Hopefully you can tell from the blog that it's not a Philips blog and I'm completely independent and not sponsored.

free skin care · Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:36 pm

A lot of beauty bloggers openly admit they get freebies from companies, though I'm sure there are ordinary Joes or Jills who put their independent thoughts out there and spend their own money; I never made that accusation in your case. But it does happen.

My comment about trustworthy feedback is directed more at the Telegraph/Daily Mail etc, as others on here have stated.

I should point out again that the ReAura *isn't* for pigmentation or acne, but it's great if it's helping your skin concerns..that's the reason every one of us buys a gadget, for positive results.

Laser can make pigmentation worse, so be careful. It's also not advised on active acne either.

Toby wrote:

LittleMissMeUK,
Welcome and glad you are here for us to ask you questions. Many of the members here use LED devices on a regular basis. If you are an avid LED user how would you compare your results with this Phillips device compared to an LED?
Again welcome
Toby

Am I missing something? I'm confused by that reply.

Can LEDs and at-home lasers be compared? I don't see anyone on the Palovia thread comparing it with the Anti-Aging Lightstim, for example (both of which I have).

For example, on the Dermaroller thread (the theory goes that damaging the skin makes it regenerate collagen, much like laser), some people don't use LEDs *at all* because they want to go through the wound repair cycle. Whereas others use their LED to soothe their skin post-rolling, or even post-TCA, for example. The consensus seemed to be to leave well alone to get the most benefit.

I've used the AALS for over 2 years, and the Palovia I used for nearly 2 months (a month nearly every day, then maintenance mode) before I decided to give my skin a rest.

I was using Palovia for bad skin texture/scars rather than acne or hyperpigmentation.

free skin care · Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:40 pm

It's the tone of the articles in these newspapers. It makes me angry. Magazines do it too, and skincare forums have one or two members spamming gushing posts everywhere.

Skincare/vanity is a very emotive subject, particularly if you have a chronic skin condition (I'm a long-time moderate acne sufferer, more under control now); many people are happy to make money out of other's misery. Just look at the stories on acne.org's forums.

Of course LittleMissMeUK can link to her blog! ..Just that in the context of that article, the comment looked like it could be yet more free advertising. I am human, and I can jump to the wrong conclusions like anyone else.

I don't want someone who is desperately unhappy about their skin to shell out £799 on something that may not work, and is hailed as the answer to their prayers.

Over-zealous, enthusiastic personalities can come across as going for the hard sell when they're not. On the internet it is very hard to distinguish one from the other.

Still no idea why LEDs and lasers could be compared though, unless I missed a memo/skincare study somewhere.

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:03 pm

ljk wrote:

Laser can make pigmentation worse, so be careful. It's also not advised on active acne either.

When I spoke to the Philips Skincare rep I asked whether it was suitable for post inflammatory pigmentation and she said that whilst it's not designed for that, it should have an impact and for me it definitely has. I know of the Doctor who was quoted in the Daily Mail article - she tweeted me when I mentioned the ReAura in a tweet - and she said that she had met the woman mentioned in the article who had the treatment and she had incredibly skin. Up until about 2 days ago I'd only had one spot since starting the treatment. This could be a fluke, but for me, a great week is when I've only had one or two spots a day so I 'feel' it's likely that it's down to the ReAura. However, it could just be that my skins finally settled down; it's impossible to tell.

I'll just mention one last thing: I know all the women who work at my local Boots and I hadn't seen one of them since before I started the treatment. I saw her a couple of days ago and the first thing she said was "What have you done to your skin?" as apparently it looks so much better. So the ReAura is definitely doing something!

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:12 pm

Toby wrote:

LittleMissMeUK,
Welcome and glad you are here for us to ask you questions. Many of the members here use LED devices on a regular basis. If you are an avid LED user how would you compare your results with this Phillips device compared to an LED?
Again welcome wave

Toby

So sorry Toby, thanks very much for your welcome and sorry I forgot to answer your post! I honestly have absolutely no experience with LED lights so I wouldn't be able to tell you how the two compare Sad

The only thing I can compare the ReAura with - but this is a bit of a stretch - is a TCA peel as my skin feels very similar for the following couple of days; especially the area where I was most prone to acne (chin) and therefore have a lot of pigmentation. However, within a couple of days my skin is almost back to normal (although still very dry) whereas I found the TCA peel took longer before my skin went back to normal. To clarify though, your skin doesn't peel with the ReAura, it just kind of crusts up and then I would guess falls off or softens again - I don't actually know what happens to it to be honest!

free skin care · Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:58 pm

ljk wrote:

Still no idea why LEDs and lasers could be compared though, unless I missed a memo/skincare study somewhere.

My question came from a discussion I had with a friend in the UK that loves her cool or soft laser and when we talk about our devices she has often said that I am probably getting the same effect from my LED as she is from her cool laser. This is a little something on the cool lasers Low level laser therapy utilises biostimulating power of light to relieve pain, heal wounds and rejuvenate skin and other tissues. Cold laser therapy - and its applications in medicine, dermatology and anti-aging indications. Laser phototherapy is able to address many painful and inflammatory conditions and problems, ranging from pain relief to wound healing. Laser phototherapy also plays an increasing role in skin and tissue rejuvenation.
http://www.win-health.com/laser-therapy-phototherapy.html
After looking at the information on the ReAura, I realize it isn't in the same category as the cool laser. So there would be no comparison.

free skin care · Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:29 pm

Toby, thanks for clarifying.

There's a few threads on here about Low Level Laser but it wasn't enough for me to get excited about. I thought you meant AALS as it's the LED you've mentioned regularly in past posts.

I'm glad your friend adores her LLL, that's what it's all about, after all. Smile

free skin care · Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:52 pm

I think it's very strange that the Philips' rep would say "it's not designed for pigmentation"* and not then give a warning. On the Palovia at-home fractional laser thread there's a few people complaining about pigmentation occurring or worsening after using it for a period of time. Granted, darker skintones are more at risk, but it's still not a good idea.

I'm certain a surgeon wouldn't give a salon laser treatment (obviously much more powerful) to someone with pigmentation, either.

free skin care · Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:43 pm

A few weeks ago I e-mailed spacenk (UK) as they carry this laser. www.spacenk.com

I am in Canada, the rep e-mailed they can ship here, but I need to do a consultation by phone first.

I may try this in the new year!! (I do have the palovia, but would love to try this as well, lol!) Very Happy

free skin care · Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:44 pm

I agree with ljk regarding online product reviews and I only trust the reviews given by EDS members on here....

Also, I strongly believe that we should just stay away from all these laser devices, whether at home or in office ones.. first, I don't think they are " miracle" cures and secondly who knows in 15 years time we would be better off if we had avoided em at the first place... I don't think there is any long term research regarding using lasers for cosmetic purposes....

A while ago, I read on Dr. Pikart's blog, his answer to question regarding lasers, that lasers may damage skin stem cells and in the long term it's bad for the skin..

free skin care · Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:22 am

At the present time the Philips ReAura is only available to residents of the UK - so the rest of us aren't going to be able to get our hands on it anyway.

free skin care · Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:12 am

I will go into a SpaceNK and have a look at the machine and have a little play and report back. They are only stocking them in the larger stores, I am going to London in about 10 days so will find one to look at.

In my humble opinion, it is more like the original Fraxel salon treatment, where you move the hand- piece over the treatment area whilst the laser is constantly firing columns of light, so you achieve minor disruption to the dermis layer across a larger area, where as the PaloVia is only designed to treatment small block areas around the eye area, obviously avoiding the eye itself. I could write a lot more about the PaloVia, but have to take the dog out for a walk.

PQ.

Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:57 pm

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free skin care · Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:09 am

photoqueen wrote:

I will go into a SpaceNK and have a look at the machine and have a little play and report back. They are only stocking them in the larger stores, I am going to London in about 10 days so will find one to look at.

In my humble opinion, it is more like the original Fraxel salon treatment, where you move the hand- piece over the treatment area whilst the laser is constantly firing columns of light, so you achieve minor disruption to the dermis layer across a larger area, where as the PaloVia is only designed to treatment small block areas around the eye area, obviously avoiding the eye itself. I could write a lot more about the PaloVia, but have to take the dog out for a walk.

PQ.

I have just spoken to Phillips customer service. I have found a Spacenk that have a device in London, so will pop in next week to check out the device, I don't think I would buy one unless it is majorly different to the PaloVia.

The big thing for me, is the downtime with the Palovia can't be worked into to my normal regime, so tend to use it when I am not working, which is very rare these days.

PQ

free skin care · Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:11 pm

photoqueen wrote:

I will go into a SpaceNK and have a look at the machine and have a little play and report back. They are only stocking them in the larger stores, I am going to London in about 10 days so will find one to look at.

In my humble opinion, it is more like the original Fraxel salon treatment, where you move the hand- piece over the treatment area whilst the laser is constantly firing columns of light, so you achieve minor disruption to the dermis layer across a larger area, where as the PaloVia is only designed to treatment small block areas around the eye area, obviously avoiding the eye itself. I could write a lot more about the PaloVia, but have to take the dog out for a walk.

PQ.

I have just spoken to Phillips customer service. I have found a Spacenk that have a device in London, so will pop in next week to check out the device, I don't think I would buy one unless it is majorly different to the PaloVia.

The big thing for me, is the downtime with the Palovia can't be worked into to my normal regime, so tend to use it when I am not working, which is very rare these days.

PQ

I have used my Palovia, in the same way the ReAura works, I used lots of treatment gel and then move the device across my face as it gave a burst of light, and managed to treat all of the cheek area and chin with 25 shots, so I think I can use the PaloVia in a different way, will report back.

PQ.

free skin care · Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:58 am

photoqueen wrote:

I will go into a SpaceNK and have a look at the machine and have a little play and report back. They are only stocking them in the larger stores, I am going to London in about 10 days so will find one to look at.

In my humble opinion, it is more like the original Fraxel salon treatment, where you move the hand- piece over the treatment area whilst the laser is constantly firing columns of light, so you achieve minor disruption to the dermis layer across a larger area, where as the PaloVia is only designed to treatment small block areas around the eye area, obviously avoiding the eye itself. I could write a lot more about the PaloVia, but have to take the dog out for a walk.

PQ.

I have just spoken to Phillips customer service. I have found a Spacenk that have a device in London, so will pop in next week to check out the device, I don't think I would buy one unless it is majorly different to the PaloVia.

The big thing for me, is the downtime with the Palovia can't be worked into to my normal regime, so tend to use it when I am not working, which is very rare these days.

PQ

I have used my Palovia, in the same way the ReAura works, I used lots of treatment gel and then move the device across my face as it gave a burst of light, and managed to treat all of the cheek area and chin with 25 shots, so I think I can use the PaloVia in a different way, will report back.

PQ.

Back to the drawing board, if you slide the Palovia across your face with gel, when you wake up in the morning, it leaves red lines on your face, they of course will fade quickly, but I wouldn't try it! PQ

free skin care · Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:47 pm

I bit the bullet and purchased this by phone from the UK. It is out of stock at present, should be in next week.

I ordered from spacenk.com (UK).

I am in Canada, it may take up to a month to get here. (shipping not too bad considering, approx. 15 pounds). (considering shipping from BarnysNY to Canada is approx. $80.00!!, lol!! ) Very Happy

free skin care · Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:45 am

lipglossdoll wrote:

I bit the bullet and purchased this by phone from the UK. It is out of stock at present, should be in next week.

I ordered from spacenk.com (UK).

I am in Canada, it may take up to a month to get here. (shipping not too bad considering, approx. 15 pounds). (considering shipping from BarnysNY to Canada is approx. $80.00!!, lol!! ) Very Happy

When I enquired they said they were'nt shipping internationally - have they changed their policy?

free skin care · Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:41 pm

I have no idea, they are shipping it to Canada though, maybe they only will ship to certain areas? Not sure. I placed my order by phone.

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